Finally started doing some WPF...
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Started reading this huge book[^] (yes, VB and I'm proud of it! So don't start...) ;) Learning the "zammel" stuff, forgetting all I know about Events and Properties and thinking some very advanced controls are standard WPF stuff then finding out I have some DevExpress stuff installed... :doh: I've been planning this for months, and I finally started! Any tips for a WinForms going WPF programmer? (and no, I don't find this a programming question) :)
It's an OO world.
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Started reading this huge book[^] (yes, VB and I'm proud of it! So don't start...) ;) Learning the "zammel" stuff, forgetting all I know about Events and Properties and thinking some very advanced controls are standard WPF stuff then finding out I have some DevExpress stuff installed... :doh: I've been planning this for months, and I finally started! Any tips for a WinForms going WPF programmer? (and no, I don't find this a programming question) :)
It's an OO world.
Databinding, databinding, databinding. Databind everything. Databind your controls. Databind your labels. Databind your error messages. Databind your buttons. If you set a property on a control without databinding (or XAML), then that's a smell that you might be doing it wrong.
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If you have any ASP.NET in your background, this[^] might help a little bit to get you in the right mindset.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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ASP.NET (or web development in general) is the other thing I should start with sometime... :^)
It's an OO world.
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Databinding, databinding, databinding. Databind everything. Databind your controls. Databind your labels. Databind your error messages. Databind your buttons. If you set a property on a control without databinding (or XAML), then that's a smell that you might be doing it wrong.
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind! :)
It's an OO world.
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May the force be with you... Everytime I go near WPF, I last about 30 minutes and say **** this! Maybe one day I will get past the hour mark (are there blue pills for WPF?). Hopefully, it will not end in :(( (well there might be a few to start with :sigh: )
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If you have any ASP.NET in your background, this[^] might help a little bit to get you in the right mindset.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Naerling wrote:
Any tips for a WinForms going WPF programmer? (and no, I don't find this a programming question)
- Do not, I repeat do not, go for the event programming model of Windows Form. 2) Always try and think about 'binding' properties.
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Abhinav S wrote:
- Do not, I repeat do not, go for the event programming model of Windows Form.
I got that from the book... The Events model is quite a drag to master it seems :doh: Especially as VB programmer I am used to the Handles keyword at the end of a Method... Luckily I've done some C# too, to get a feeling with some non-VB approaches :)
Abhinav S wrote:
- Always try and think about 'binding' properties.
I will!
It's an OO world.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The code-behind is the glue that links the GUI to the model... Ideally, that's ALL it does... Realistically, the lines tend to blur a little with more complex applications.
Espeacially when using things like infragistics[^]. [EDIT] Correct spelling of Infragistics... I wonder if that is what got me the 1 :((
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
modified on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:14 AM
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Naerling wrote:
Any tips for a WinForms going WPF programmer?
- Forget everything you know about interfaces and design tiers. WPF is a completely different paradigm. 2) Learn to love XAML. It's weird and awkward at first, but once you get used to it, it's magic. 3) In a perfect world, your code-behind should NEVER* have to refer to a GUI control. Don't even assign names to your controls unless you need to refer to them from a trigger or storyboard. * There are, of course, unavoidable exceptions to this... Try to minimize them.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Learn to love XAML. It's weird and awkward at first
That's an understatement! ;p But I'm managing :)
Ian Shlasko wrote:
In a perfect world, your code-behind should NEVER* have to refer to a GUI control.
I like knowing what it would be like in a perfect world. If I know how and try to write perfect code at least I don't end up with completely horrible code ;p Thanks for the tips!
It's an OO world.
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Thanks. I'll keep that in mind! :)
It's an OO world.
Just remember Binding(in case you forgot) :laugh:
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Started reading this huge book[^] (yes, VB and I'm proud of it! So don't start...) ;) Learning the "zammel" stuff, forgetting all I know about Events and Properties and thinking some very advanced controls are standard WPF stuff then finding out I have some DevExpress stuff installed... :doh: I've been planning this for months, and I finally started! Any tips for a WinForms going WPF programmer? (and no, I don't find this a programming question) :)
It's an OO world.
Good luck! I'm just converting a relatively big project from Winforms (it used to be excel 10 years ago...) XAML is great. Documentation is poor on official MSDN. I also use XBAP to make it Web easy. WCF (for data service) is also great. You will use a lot of dispatching, have a lot of crashes... Have fun!
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
infagistics[^].
I love your (subtlety ? lapsus ?) contraction:
infamous U infragistics = infagistics. -
Yeah typos suck.. but should they result in a 1 vote??
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Maybe an infragistics dev did it.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
- Forget everything you know about interfaces and design tiers. WPF is a completely different paradigm.
- Learn to love XAML. It's weird and awkward at first, but once you get used to it, it's magic.
- In a perfect world, your code-behind should NEVER* have to refer to a GUI control. Don't even assign names to your controls unless you need to refer to them from a trigger or storyboard.
1. Forget that you are programmer. Now you are computer graphics maker/script writer. 2. Learn not to hate XAML. 3. Write more code and XAML than necessary. Make it more and more complicated. But never write code-behind. Real man doesn't write code-behind!
Amen brother... I just posted an update to an article series of mine with a WPF app that creates charts. The entire chart is created in code instead of XAML (with the exception of a few control templates for tooltips). I hate XAML (which is probably going to make my WPF/Silverlight experience less than fulfilling).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The code-behind is the glue that links the GUI to the model... Ideally, that's ALL it does... Realistically, the lines tend to blur a little with more complex applications.
Espeacially when using things like infragistics[^]. [EDIT] Correct spelling of Infragistics... I wonder if that is what got me the 1 :((
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
modified on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:14 AM
I spell it Infrashitstix. I've used their stuff, and we scrapped it and moved to the Silverlight toolkit instead.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
It can't be THAT bad... Right? :confused: Well, I'm still young and flexible so perhaps I can just sort of roll into it... Maybe ;p
It's an OO world.
Naerling wrote:
It can't be THAT bad... Right?
Yes, it's that bad.
Naerling wrote:
Well, I'm still young and flexible
All that means is that you'll be able to more easily bend over backwards to make your app work the way you want it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
If you have any ASP.NET in your background, this[^] might help a little bit to get you in the right mindset.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Nope - won't help at all, with the possible exception of forming a closer bond with pointy brackets.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Naerling wrote:
It can't be THAT bad... Right?
Yes, it's that bad.
Naerling wrote:
Well, I'm still young and flexible
All that means is that you'll be able to more easily bend over backwards to make your app work the way you want it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Yes, it's that bad.
Recommendation to stay with WinForms? :~
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
All that means is that you'll be able to more easily bend over backwards
I'm a programmer... I sit on my ass all day. The moment I try to bend (whichever direction) my back, shoulders and neck start to hurt and I know I just should've stayed in my chair ;p
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
to make your app work the way you want it.
If I can make it work at all (especially in WPF) ;)
It's an OO world.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Yes, it's that bad.
Recommendation to stay with WinForms? :~
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
All that means is that you'll be able to more easily bend over backwards
I'm a programmer... I sit on my ass all day. The moment I try to bend (whichever direction) my back, shoulders and neck start to hurt and I know I just should've stayed in my chair ;p
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
to make your app work the way you want it.
If I can make it work at all (especially in WPF) ;)
It's an OO world.
Both Winforms and WPF suck in their own little ways. It really depends on where you like your suckage. By all means, give WPF a try (check out my Reputationator article series if you want to see the same app written for both platforms in a single download).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Both Winforms and WPF suck in their own little ways. It really depends on where you like your suckage. By all means, give WPF a try (check out my Reputationator article series if you want to see the same app written for both platforms in a single download).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I'll check them out! Quite a read though... :thumbsup:
It's an OO world.
