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progress bar - why???

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  • T TorstenH

    The customer is not always right. The customer is able to ask for wired stuff that doesn't make sense. Check this: http://clientsfromhell.net/[^] - the link was posted today by someone here. Nice one.

    regards Torsten I never finish anyth...

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    Slacker007
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    My take on this is: The customer is always right. If you want to keep them as a customer then do it their way. If you don't want to do it their way, then drop them as a client. If I want to keep my customer's business and they want their forms to be hot pink, then guess what? Pink it is. Progress bars galore. Stupid shite will be the order of the day.

    Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
    "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)

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      My take on this is: The customer is always right. If you want to keep them as a customer then do it their way. If you don't want to do it their way, then drop them as a client. If I want to keep my customer's business and they want their forms to be hot pink, then guess what? Pink it is. Progress bars galore. Stupid shite will be the order of the day.

      Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)

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      Lost User
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      Quite. A lot of developers seem to think the systems they create are for themselves, and not for users.

      Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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      • L Lost User

        Is it just me who has to have the volume on an even number?

        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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        OriginalGriff
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        It's just you. I think. Damnit, I'll have to look now!:~

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • T TorstenH

          Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.

          regards Torsten I never finish anyth...

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          Chris Meech
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          TorstenH. wrote:

          My TV has a LED to show that it's on.

          Oddly, I've a Samsung TV and it's got what I guess you would call a stand-by light. When the light is off, the TV is on and when the light is on, the TV is off. Oh and when the TV is switching states, the light flickers. One day for amusement, I'll see how much power it draws in stand-by mode. Hope it won't be a surprise. :)

          Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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          • L Lost User

            Is it just me who has to have the volume on an even number?

            Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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            BobJanova
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            It doesn't have to be even (5s are generally also ok, and 9, and less so multiples of 3), but I definitely prefer some numbers to others.

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            • B BobJanova

              It doesn't have to be even (5s are generally also ok, and 9, and less so multiples of 3), but I definitely prefer some numbers to others.

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              Lost User
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              Yeah, I can cope with 5s too. Acceptable numbers for volume are 0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 28 30 32 35 38 and so on. My missus only accepts even numbers so we have a battle of wills over the mid 20s. Erm, how do you spell OCD again?

              Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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              • W Wjousts

                Might I suggest this[^] as a solution?

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                QuiJohn
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                Wjousts wrote:

                Might I suggest this[^] as a solution?

                I just used that high tech solution to cut down on the LED's my AT&T U-verse box displays. Now if only there was as simple a solution to get the thing NOT TO CRASH. Grumble grumble.

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                • L Lost User

                  Is it just me who has to have the volume on an even number?

                  Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                  Peter Mulholland
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                  No, it's not just you, although I don't really give it any thought, I usually just adjust to an even number rather than an odd one.

                  Pete

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                  • L Lost User

                    Yeah, I can cope with 5s too. Acceptable numbers for volume are 0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 28 30 32 35 38 and so on. My missus only accepts even numbers so we have a battle of wills over the mid 20s. Erm, how do you spell OCD again?

                    Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                    Peter Mulholland
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                    CDO

                    Pete

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                      CDO

                      Pete

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                      Lost User
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                      Ah, nicely alphabetized. I have OC/DC. It is like OCD but it fuckin' rocks man.

                      Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Is it just me who has to have the volume on an even number?

                        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                        Lost User
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                        ChrisElston wrote:

                        Is it just me who has to have the volume on an even number?

                        Nah, its just you. I have my 100W Peavey valve amp on 11! :-D

                        ============================== Nothing to say.

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                        • L Lost User

                          ChrisElston wrote:

                          Is it just me who has to have the volume on an even number?

                          Nah, its just you. I have my 100W Peavey valve amp on 11! :-D

                          ============================== Nothing to say.

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                          Lost User
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                          I can't believe it took nearly an hour for someone to put 11. Have 5 just to annoy you.

                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                          • T TorstenH

                            Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.

                            regards Torsten I never finish anyth...

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                            emartinho
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                            Sorry but had to down-vote your rant (you forgot the rant emoticon btw! :)) because it really doesn't make sense at all. Let's use an example: "Wow, I ran that file copy from the network to my drive 10 minutes ago and it's still not done". (Yes it's a cheap example, but an easy one to pick apart.) In your world we couldn't check the progress bar or the mouse cursor to see if the copy process is moving forward (albeit maybe slowly, could it be a network issue???), nor could we look at the Network port to see if there's a constant data stream, nor could we look at the harddrive light to see if there was any constant activity. Therefore, in your world, we could either wait (and wait, and wait), or have to kill a running process (which can lead to other issues depending on OS, on if it's a shared user in multi-user environment, etc..). In your world, there is no indicator of whether we actually still have a network connection (who needs that icon flashing on the task bar, or the lights on the network card???), nor whether our computer's WiFi hardware is actually enabled (who needs that LED on the laptop's keyboard???). So, I can't agree with your rant. We need these indicators to allow us to diagnose potential issues with our machines. Thanks for the debate starter, though! :thumbsup: -EM

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                            • W Wjousts

                              Might I suggest this[^] as a solution?

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                              Rajesh R Subramanian
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                              You may not. Because as you see from the picture in my link, the LED is situated right somewhere in between the internal air suction valve and I cannot put a tape or anything on there. I was even thinking of opening it up and cutting the wire that supplies power to the LED, but that would have voided my warranty. Either ways, it was a stupid thing that they've designed. I can accept a led on a tv or even a blender, but this thing has to stay on while I may sleep and I couldn't accept it illuminating the whole room.

                              "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                              • T TorstenH

                                Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.

                                regards Torsten I never finish anyth...

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                                Ed K
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                                My assumption is that the customer is paying the bill. Who cares why they need it!! Why do customers need reports? They don't but you might want to charge extra for them!! :)

                                ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.

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                                • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                  You may not. Because as you see from the picture in my link, the LED is situated right somewhere in between the internal air suction valve and I cannot put a tape or anything on there. I was even thinking of opening it up and cutting the wire that supplies power to the LED, but that would have voided my warranty. Either ways, it was a stupid thing that they've designed. I can accept a led on a tv or even a blender, but this thing has to stay on while I may sleep and I couldn't accept it illuminating the whole room.

                                  "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                                  Wjousts
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                                  The tape was for your eyes, not the AC, silly. :laugh:

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                                  • T TorstenH

                                    Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.

                                    regards Torsten I never finish anyth...

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                                    GenJerDan
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                                    Some indicator of something happening is required to keep my wife people from clicking and clicking and clicking and clicking and clicking and clicking and clicking. . .

                                    Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                                      The tape was for your eyes, not the AC, silly. :laugh:

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                                      Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                      Silly me. :laugh:

                                      "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                                      • T TorstenH

                                        Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.

                                        regards Torsten I never finish anyth...

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                                        Hans Dietrich
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                                        TorstenH. wrote:

                                        Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious?

                                        How so? By definition, a progress indicator is anything that makes it obvious something is happening. So how is it "obvious" to your customer that messages are being transmitted?

                                        Best wishes, Hans


                                        [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          But if the screen was broken (as in not working rather than smashed) and there was no LED you wouldn't know if there was just a power problem or if you needed to throw a beer bottle through it.

                                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                                          AspDotNetDev
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                                          What happens when the LED isn't working? An LED LED? :~

                                          Somebody in an online forum wrote:

                                          INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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