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Steve Jobs wasnt great..?

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  • P Pete OHanlon

    Why do you think he's great? Rather than post a link and just say you don't agree, why don't you elucidate and elaborate on what makes that article wrong and you right? As to the point - do I think he was a great business man? Yes. Do I think he was a great technological innovator? No. Do I think he identified a team that came up with designs that the consumer wants? Yes. Do I think he was a great human being? No. Do I think he helped push the industry forward? Yes.

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    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

    As to the point - do I think he was a great business man? Yes. Do I think he was a great technological innovator? No.

    That's what I used to think, but I'm listening to "The Second Coming of Steve Jobs" right now, and I now believe the exact opposite. He was a terrible businessman, at least he was from 1986-1994, and then was bailed out by John Lasseter and Toy Story in 1995. Even that he almost ruined, he wanted to kill the animation department of Pixar for years so they could focus on hardware; them winning an oscar in 1990 (I think?) for the short film Tin Toy saved them. As for Next, that was a complete disaster of business management. It was all smoke and mirrors, although they did have a good product he did not know how to sell it, and got obsessed with appearance (of the offices, not just the computer box) and trivial details that just didn't matter. He did not always grasp the technological end of things, but he knew what he wanted technology to do from the end users' perspective. Maybe he wasn't much of an innovator himself, but he pushed people (frequently ruthlessly) to innovate so he could get what he wanted. I do think he had singular clout in that respect, like no one else in the industry. One thing is clear from that book though, he could be a real dick.

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      You are probably the greatest Naerling ever. Well, one of them, anyway. :laugh:

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      OriginalGriff wrote:

      You are probably the greatest Naerling ever.

      That is so true! :D

      It's an OO world.

      public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{}

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      • H hairy_hats

        Why don't you get a single room?

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        Maybe I already have... Anyway, my quality time with myself is not something I am willing to discuss on CP. Nor are the CPians willing to have it discussed by me :laugh: ;p

        It's an OO world.

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