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You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all. They are utterly incapable of forseeing that taxing these pensions is in any way wrong, or likely to cause offense, and at least be very bad PR. In this respect, no, they havent learnt a thing. But dont forget the Dutch faschists were so numerous they formed an SS division. There were also faschists in Belgium who worked with the Nazis. There were faschists in England who would have too, and the US dont forget, had its own Nazi party. So while it is easy to victimise Germany dont forget that against the backdrop of their time, when eugenics was popular science, and faschism was rife, they weremt so unusual. And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans
and the spanish had them before the British they were used in Cuba well before the Boar war just because they were called reconcentration camps does not make them any different Also they were used in many Middle eastern countries as far back as the Pharaohs
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Invented concentration camps during the Boer war.
I think you have been urban mythed as the idea and practice of Concentration Camps predate the Boar war even the US practiced it prior to the Boar war, examples of this type of control over disputed territories goes back to biblical times Oh and the reason why so many died in the Boar war camps was that the food supplies for these camps were attacked by the Boars. Its a often repeated claim that is completely untrue and is rolled out to diss the British.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Stood back when Prussia invadesd France in 1870, then changed its mind in 1914 after Germany became a threat to Britains manufacturing base.
in 1870 there was no treaty that required British involvement, in 1914 there was. It was also the Military might of the united Germany that was the threat not so much economic. remember that in 1914 Britain had one of the SMALLIST armies in europe!
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Bought and sold slaves.
Yes Britain bought and sold slaves, but would you kindly state which major power didn’t? and IIRC we were the first country to actively enforce anti slavery policies (and were the second to outlaw slavery after Belgium, and even then the law in Britain started its passage before that in Belgium) I am always amazed at the rubbish spouted to defame Britain, and never any credit, did you know that that African countries under the empire had higher literacy rates that any European country? It is easy to pick out less that stella parts of Bitish rule but you need to temper it with the good it did. And compaired to some other imperial powers the British were angels the local would have suffered far greater under other powers, you only need look at what happened under french rule another point is that these countries did not have a choice between British rule or independence it was a choice of British or ONE OF THE OTHER EUROPEAN POWERS, No British empire = bigger French/German/Russian empires
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Well, as I stated at the end, all countries have their dirty stuff. And that Britain is Great bebcause invading Saxons forced some of them to go and set up in France. By the way, it is 'Boer War'. 'Boer' is Dutch for 'farmer', 'boar' is a hairy pig. OK there could well be a similarity between the two, but best stick to the correct one. :)
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans
and the spanish had them before the British they were used in Cuba well before the Boar war just because they were called reconcentration camps does not make them any different Also they were used in many Middle eastern countries as far back as the Pharaohs
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
and the spanish had them before the British they were used in Cuba well before the Boar war just because they were called reconcentration camps does not make them any different
Yeah, I know, and it is 'Boer'! :)
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
and the spanish had them before the British they were used in Cuba well before the Boar war just because they were called reconcentration camps does not make them any different
Yeah, I know, and it is 'Boer'! :)
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If you knew then why did you state this untruth? and how many other are you posting? and it was posted before your correction of my error so i claim consistancy lol
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If you knew then why did you state this untruth? and how many other are you posting? and it was posted before your correction of my error so i claim consistancy lol
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Britain certainly did not invent slavery, that was around for thousands of years. We were, however, the first country to ban it, then banned it throughout the Empire, and even went on several wars to end slavery across the world. I think our record on slavery is rather good, on the whole. Also, we did not sell opium to the Chinese, we bought it from them after the first opium war, and after the East Indian Company stopped getting supplied through Burma. We merely went to war to keep up the supply. The Franco Prussian war was nothing to do with us, but unfortunately the 1914-18 war was subject to defence treaties (asked for by the French) as a result of the Franco Prussian war. You cannot have it both ways. The country was named after Rhodes because of his ability to make vast amounts of money and supply diamonds (amongst many other things), to the Empire. Indeed, Britain still has the monopoly on diamond merchanting, so good for him. As for concentration camps, yes, that was one of ours, but it took a German to make it really successful. Strangely, there was an American Cavalry Captain who gave smallpox infected blankets to the Plains Tribes as a method of culling them. His name was Captain James Kirk. Weirdly not many people mention this.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Strangely, there was an American Cavalry Captain who gave smallpox infected blankets to the Plains Tribes as a method of culling them.
His name was Captain James Kirk. Weirdly not many people mention this.No one mentions it because it didn't happen. Never ever ever believe a word that comes out of Ward Churchill's mouth. On the other hand, it was tried at Fort Pitt, on a small scale, back when it was still British. Whether it worked or not is debatable, since smallpox was already present in the area. The two blankets and one handkerchief may or may not have contributed; no way to tell at this late date.
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Obviously as long as populations have been held captive, you have had concentration camps, bu I refer to them as named by the British in the Boer War. BOER WAR! ;P
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
bu I refer to them as named by the British in the Boer War. BOER WAR! ;-P
if you get picky on a post you should at least make sure you are not making errors yourself. or did you mean Bu? and now claiming that we invented concentration camps because we were the first to call them that is pure evasion and shows the quality of your argument or are you claiming that the name makes them different? if thats the case then we should call the German ones extermination camps as this would be a better description as to the purpose.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
bu I refer to them as named by the British in the Boer War. BOER WAR! ;-P
if you get picky on a post you should at least make sure you are not making errors yourself. or did you mean Bu? and now claiming that we invented concentration camps because we were the first to call them that is pure evasion and shows the quality of your argument or are you claiming that the name makes them different? if thats the case then we should call the German ones extermination camps as this would be a better description as to the purpose.
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Never claimed I can type, but I can speak Dutch. :) (My dad was born in SA, so I guess I have an Afrikaans strain somewhere in me. )
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antibiotics try antibiotics oh and look what the Boer's did for the local SA's, being related to that lot I would think you would be pretty quiet on the behaviour of others see i got it right that time
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Alberto Bar-Noy wrote:
However did anyone else bring a whole continent to havoc twice in 30 years in the 20th century?
Objection, Your Honor! As far as I know, WW I started with the assassination of the heir to the throne of Austria, leading to a war between Austria and Serbia, which again escalated and pulled in England, Russia and France and allied countries on both sides. And yes, Germany was an ally of Austria.
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And it came worse.Yes, you are right there were chain ally contracts between almost all European countries which caused a “domino effect” dragging everyone into the nasty war. The other reason was that a fierce nationalism was growing up in every country – the people were going to war happily. The only exception was Russia which was in the middle of a civil war by then but she was a strong ally with France and historical enemy with Austro-Hungarian Empire so she had no choice but enter the war. Third reason was that this was the first war including mass armies and total draft of the mail population, so nobody has expected the scale of devastation. Last but not least was the ongoing economic and trade war between England and Germany. England didn’t want to give up her trade monopoly and Germany needed new markets for his strong economy - so everybody was fucked. Add to this shitty basket the ticking bomb on the Balkans after the first and second Balkan wars a few years earlier (the second one inspired by Austrian and Germany diplomats by the way) and you have the picture.
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Nazi Slaves being Taxed.[^] How typical of our European neighbours that when things are a bit tight and they will be required to foot the bill of all the profligate countries in Europe that they decide to retroactively tax people enslaved under Nazi Rules. Hitler would have been proud of them.
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Ah Politics in the Lounge. Of course, you being another of the "Favored Few" it will not be moved to the Soapbox like it should be. What farcical hypocrisy! X|
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Oooh, touchy touchy! :) Actualy I cant type worth a damn. Anyway, sarcasm really doesnt come across in writing, you need to explicitely state it.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Anyway, sarcasm really doesnt come across in writing
Wrong! I totally got the sarcasm. And I bet 99% of "normal" people did and would as well.
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Hitler would have been proud of them. How I hate that. Why are you English people always sympathise with the Nazi time? Nice comments in that thread there. To set a tax on an income - no matter if it's a pension or working income - is absolute normal in Germany. That's why we get along much better than some other states in Europe. Now this is a special "income" and they need to take a closer look. And there we can find out that other states are the ones that are charging taxes and not the Germany. Russia has no taxes on those compensations. The English regulations on forced laborer compensations can be read here. I bet there is something more behind the story.
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I've no big problem taxing pensions, it's the retroactive nature of this law (if it's being reported correctly) that I find offensive and rather unfair.
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Nazi Slaves being Taxed.[^] How typical of our European neighbours that when things are a bit tight and they will be required to foot the bill of all the profligate countries in Europe that they decide to retroactively tax people enslaved under Nazi Rules. Hitler would have been proud of them.
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sucram wrote:
count themselves lucky
wow, I'm almost speechless at your ignorance. The holocaust remains the benchmark of human atrocity, and you think the victims should count themselves lucky. Hopefully there's a special circle of hell reserved for people who think like this.
Your comment is a typical one from people that think they know better. I did not belittle the suffering of the Holocaust victims. I am merley saying that they need to count themselves lucky that they are receiving a pension. Any other people that suffred under any other regime would not have been given anything. I am pretty sure that the Africans that where slaves for 200 years in the US suffered equally as much as the holocaust victims, yet they never received any kind of compensation. The benchmark of human atrocity is no longer the Holocaust, it is countries like yours that allow people in countries like Ethiopis to starve to death, that do not rush to help countries like Rwanda to stop a genocide from happening. What about all the countries like the UK, Belgium, France and Portugal that have plundered the natural riches of their colonies and then just left them to rot? What about the systematic slaugthering of the native American Indians, by European settler in North America and South America. So if you think that there aren't any people that have suffered eaually or worse then the Holocaust vicitms you need to wake up and smell the roses.
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