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  • E Espen Harlinn

    I'll have to maintain a working relationship with these people - so I hope you'll understand that I can't go into specifics ;)

    Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    No problems, just curious.

    Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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    • L Luc Pattyn

      I wouldn't bet any money on the outcome when a no-brainer is to decide on a no-brainer. :wtf:

      Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      Take a bet on the f'uped solution; I think that's the way we'll go. Then when it goes FUBAR in production we'll suggest switching over to the sensible solution and charge them ++ for plugging in a cable and re-doing some simple config. Simples.


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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      • E Espen Harlinn

        Hey Nagy, this is a bit scary - I had a similar meeting yeasterday ...

        +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+
        | Source |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Destination |
        +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+

        vs

        +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
        | Source |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| Destination |
        +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

        The WebSphere MQ can be reached from both the source and the destination ... and the guys arguing for the second approach are developers too. So yeah, I can understand your frustration :doh:

        Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          Take a bet on the f'uped solution; I think that's the way we'll go. Then when it goes FUBAR in production we'll suggest switching over to the sensible solution and charge them ++ for plugging in a cable and re-doing some simple config. Simples.


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          Luc Pattyn
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          Sounds like a plan. :)

          Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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            Espen Harlinn
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            For the umptenth time I wish Den makalösa manicken[^] was available in english. It's about a professor that has created a somewhat overly complicated eternity engine - and the lyrics is oddly appropriate with regards to the endless number of transformations data goes through on it's way from a to b to c to d to e ... to z in this modern day and age.

            Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Surely this should be:

              +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
              | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |
              +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
              |
              v
              @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
              @ The Cloud @
              @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
              |
              v
              +-------------+ +-------------+
              | Slow Router |---->| Destination |
              +-------------+ +-------------+

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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              Jason Hooper
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              HA! Priceless, and oh so relevant to my life right about now. Needed that laugh :laugh:

              Jason

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              • C Chris Maunder

                Surely this should be:

                +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |
                +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                |
                v
                @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
                @ The Cloud @
                @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
                |
                v
                +-------------+ +-------------+
                | Slow Router |---->| Destination |
                +-------------+ +-------------+

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                Lost User
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                Best laugh I've had in a while - like the fluffy clouds :laugh:

                It is an absolute certainty that there are no certainties. ~ Christopher Hitchens 1949-2011

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                • N Nagy Vilmos

                  Michael Bergman wrote:

                  I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

                  Their software. ;) It takes in each message and decides which router to send it to. The router software can actually do everything their f'uped bloatware does; only it's faster. I love having to keep 83 conflicting egos on the up at the same time. :-D


                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  Michael Bergman
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                  As a person who prefers his own code to that of others' more concise, better behaved, and technically superior software, I have to side with the client on this. Besides, I have a soft spot in my brain for redundant processes. I think it may be a tumor.

                  m.bergman

                  For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

                  To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

                  Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

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                  • M Michael Bergman

                    As a person who prefers his own code to that of others' more concise, better behaved, and technically superior software, I have to side with the client on this. Besides, I have a soft spot in my brain for redundant processes. I think it may be a tumor.

                    m.bergman

                    For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

                    To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

                    Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

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                    baskinhu
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                    unless those redundant processes are guitar riffs continuously making you headbang like a 15 yr old rock fan, you should have someone look into that... ;)

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                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                      Not far off it. I think the slow router takes the messages out to lunch first before forwarding anything.


                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                      Florin Jurcovici 0
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                      Can you blame it, if the messages look sexy? :-D

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                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                        What arguments do they have?

                        Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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                        Stefan_Lang
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                        Most people (think that they) don't need arguments to argue ;)

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                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                          Looking at a set up of a data feed. There are two options available that I shall now illistrate through the medium of ASCII boxes: Option :-D :

                          +-------------+ +-------------+
                          | Source |---->| Destination |
                          +-------------+ +-------------+

                          Option :( :

                          +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                          | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |---->| Destination |
                          +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

                          Go on, I dare you all: which option does the client think is best? :doh:


                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          Stefan_Lang
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                          If they're so brain-dead, they won't notice if you did that:

                          +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +---------+
                          | Source |--+->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |---->| NIRWANA |
                          +-------------+ | +-------------+ +-------------+ +---------+
                          | +-------------+
                          +->| Destination |
                          +-------------+

                          ;)

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