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  • E Espen Harlinn

    Hey Nagy, this is a bit scary - I had a similar meeting yeasterday ...

    +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+
    | Source |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Destination |
    +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+

    vs

    +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
    | Source |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| Destination |
    +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

    The WebSphere MQ can be reached from both the source and the destination ... and the guys arguing for the second approach are developers too. So yeah, I can understand your frustration :doh:

    Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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    Nagy Vilmos
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    My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.

    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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    • N Nagy Vilmos

      Take a bet on the f'uped solution; I think that's the way we'll go. Then when it goes FUBAR in production we'll suggest switching over to the sensible solution and charge them ++ for plugging in a cable and re-doing some simple config. Simples.

      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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      Luc Pattyn
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      Sounds like a plan. :)

      Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.

        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        Espen Harlinn
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        For the umptenth time I wish Den makalösa manicken[^] was available in english. It's about a professor that has created a somewhat overly complicated eternity engine - and the lyrics is oddly appropriate with regards to the endless number of transformations data goes through on it's way from a to b to c to d to e ... to z in this modern day and age.

        Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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        • C Chris Maunder

          Surely this should be:

          +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
          | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |
          +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
          |
          v
          @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
          @ The Cloud @
          @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
          |
          v
          +-------------+ +-------------+
          | Slow Router |---->| Destination |
          +-------------+ +-------------+

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          Jason Hooper
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          HA! Priceless, and oh so relevant to my life right about now. Needed that laugh :laugh:

          Jason

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          • C Chris Maunder

            Surely this should be:

            +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
            | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |
            +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
            |
            v
            @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
            @ The Cloud @
            @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
            |
            v
            +-------------+ +-------------+
            | Slow Router |---->| Destination |
            +-------------+ +-------------+

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Lost User
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            Best laugh I've had in a while - like the fluffy clouds :laugh:

            It is an absolute certainty that there are no certainties. ~ Christopher Hitchens 1949-2011

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            • N Nagy Vilmos

              Michael Bergman wrote:

              I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

              Their software. ;) It takes in each message and decides which router to send it to. The router software can actually do everything their f'uped bloatware does; only it's faster. I love having to keep 83 conflicting egos on the up at the same time. :-D

              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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              Michael Bergman
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              As a person who prefers his own code to that of others' more concise, better behaved, and technically superior software, I have to side with the client on this. Besides, I have a soft spot in my brain for redundant processes. I think it may be a tumor.

              m.bergman

              For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

              To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

              Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

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              • M Michael Bergman

                As a person who prefers his own code to that of others' more concise, better behaved, and technically superior software, I have to side with the client on this. Besides, I have a soft spot in my brain for redundant processes. I think it may be a tumor.

                m.bergman

                For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

                To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

                Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

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                baskinhu
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                unless those redundant processes are guitar riffs continuously making you headbang like a 15 yr old rock fan, you should have someone look into that... ;)

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                • N Nagy Vilmos

                  Not far off it. I think the slow router takes the messages out to lunch first before forwarding anything.

                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  Florin Jurcovici 0
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                  Can you blame it, if the messages look sexy? :-D

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    What arguments do they have?

                    Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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                    Stefan_Lang
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                    Most people (think that they) don't need arguments to argue ;)

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                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                      Looking at a set up of a data feed. There are two options available that I shall now illistrate through the medium of ASCII boxes: Option :-D :

                      +-------------+ +-------------+
                      | Source |---->| Destination |
                      +-------------+ +-------------+

                      Option :( :

                      +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                      | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |---->| Destination |
                      +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

                      Go on, I dare you all: which option does the client think is best? :doh:

                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                      Stefan_Lang
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                      If they're so brain-dead, they won't notice if you did that:

                      +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +---------+
                      | Source |--+->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |---->| NIRWANA |
                      +-------------+ | +-------------+ +-------------+ +---------+
                      | +-------------+
                      +->| Destination |
                      +-------------+

                      ;)

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