So what is bad about beer?
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Hangovers. Getting arrested for drink driving. Cost. Dehydration. Having to get out of bed several times in the night to get rid of some more. Shouting on the big white telephone. Acting like an idiot when drunk (c.f. DD later this evening, probably). Should I go on? :laugh:
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
You learn to avoid hangovers in time. Or learn to handle them. Depends on how much you hate them. If you're an idiot and ever drive after drinking, sure. It's not that expensive if you don't abuse. And if you do abuse you could certainly get drunk with cheaper crap. That's what sparkling water near my bed is for. After drinking, before sleeping, plenty of water. With an aspirin if I feel I had enough for a hangover. Doesn't happen, will check back in 20 years. Acquired skill, to know when to stop. Depends on person, would certainly prefer that people that turn into maniacs on alcohol abstained from it. I'm quieter, calmer and my eyes sparkle apparently. Hopefully I'm not off by much, only been drinking the stuff for 18 years now. 14 years since I've bought my first one and not drained my parents' glasses. And my biggest health issues are from coffee and cigarettes.
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You learn to avoid hangovers in time. Or learn to handle them. Depends on how much you hate them. If you're an idiot and ever drive after drinking, sure. It's not that expensive if you don't abuse. And if you do abuse you could certainly get drunk with cheaper crap. That's what sparkling water near my bed is for. After drinking, before sleeping, plenty of water. With an aspirin if I feel I had enough for a hangover. Doesn't happen, will check back in 20 years. Acquired skill, to know when to stop. Depends on person, would certainly prefer that people that turn into maniacs on alcohol abstained from it. I'm quieter, calmer and my eyes sparkle apparently. Hopefully I'm not off by much, only been drinking the stuff for 18 years now. 14 years since I've bought my first one and not drained my parents' glasses. And my biggest health issues are from coffee and cigarettes.
Dexterus wrote:
If you're an idiot and ever drive after drinking, sure.
And you have never had a skin-full on a Friday night, then driven Saturday morning? Watch the cr@p cop shows - the number of people who get caught the next day is far to large...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Way to try and wiggle out of it. I'll tell you all day long that drinking beer is bad for you but if you want to, that is your right. You have the right to destroy yourself. It is always interesting to see people reason there way into bad things and justify it just to make themselves not feel so guilty.
Wow, generalizing much. I'm still alive and kicking and I enjoy beer. My latest health checkup only showed high blood pressure and cholesterol (my whole family has higher than average levels) but 8 double espresso's a day tend to do that, everything else was pretty much perfect. I've yet to ever do anything stupid or anything bad that I wouldn't do while sober. I don't see how your reasoning can stand as true. Sure, abuse is bad, some people can't handle alcohol but generalizing is not a sign of actually using your brain properly. More fear of the unknown, a bit of paranoia. I've been drinking since 14, by 20 I stopped abusing it and started enjoying it. Finished HS with highest grades - the period I drank most randomly in, going from crap beer to cheap colored stuff they called wine to water + refined alcohol they called vodka, depending on available money. I never even thought about driving after drinking, I never harmed anyone but a telephone table after drinking (heh, had to find upper limits, couldn't stand up to take shoes off, tried to hold on to it and it didn't want to hold me).
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Dexterus wrote:
If you're an idiot and ever drive after drinking, sure.
And you have never had a skin-full on a Friday night, then driven Saturday morning? Watch the cr@p cop shows - the number of people who get caught the next day is far to large...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Nope, I'm a bit lazy and I normally sleep till about midday after a night of drinking. Figured it out long ago that I'm not exactly fit to drive the morning after, never really thought about getting caught by cops, more about being awake enough to drive/work, I apply the same rules when sick. I don't drink that much anymore anyway (every few weeks, I keep throwing away all those alcoholic gifts I get when they expire), but I also don't drive anymore.
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Wow, generalizing much. I'm still alive and kicking and I enjoy beer. My latest health checkup only showed high blood pressure and cholesterol (my whole family has higher than average levels) but 8 double espresso's a day tend to do that, everything else was pretty much perfect. I've yet to ever do anything stupid or anything bad that I wouldn't do while sober. I don't see how your reasoning can stand as true. Sure, abuse is bad, some people can't handle alcohol but generalizing is not a sign of actually using your brain properly. More fear of the unknown, a bit of paranoia. I've been drinking since 14, by 20 I stopped abusing it and started enjoying it. Finished HS with highest grades - the period I drank most randomly in, going from crap beer to cheap colored stuff they called wine to water + refined alcohol they called vodka, depending on available money. I never even thought about driving after drinking, I never harmed anyone but a telephone table after drinking (heh, had to find upper limits, couldn't stand up to take shoes off, tried to hold on to it and it didn't want to hold me).
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Oh, I thought it's just how I am, never imagined alcohol screwed me up, thought it was Mother Nature's fault. Should keep that in mind. Will raise a glass to your insight into my and average alcoholic's psyche next time I have some alcohol (next month most likely).
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Oh, I thought it's just how I am, never imagined alcohol screwed me up, thought it was Mother Nature's fault. Should keep that in mind. Will raise a glass to your insight into my and average alcoholic's psyche next time I have some alcohol (next month most likely).
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Way to try and wiggle out of it. I'll tell you all day long that drinking beer is bad for you but if you want to, that is your right. You have the right to destroy yourself. It is always interesting to see people reason there way into bad things and justify it just to make themselves not feel so guilty.
ryanb31 wrote:
Way to try and wiggle out of it. I'll tell you all day long that drinking beer is bad for you but if you want to, that is your right. You have the right to destroy yourself. It
I agree that people in some countris have the right to express an opinion. Other than that your statement does nothing but attempt to prove it by denigration.
ryanb31 wrote:
It is always interesting to see people reason there way into bad things and justify it just to make themselves not feel so guilty.
It is always interesting to see people attempt to rationalize their own beliefs based on their absolute conviction of the "TRUTH" of the belief. It is very seldom that I encounter anyone that understands that the view of the world is based on a vast subjective framework that often has nothing to do with any real objective data. And even when they think they have objective data they do not understand how likely that objective data itself is based on false premises and/or systematic errors.
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Alcohol is a poison so just because you haven't noticed any direct negative impacts from it does not mean it is good.
ryanb31 wrote:
Alcohol is a poison so just because you haven't noticed any direct negative impacts from it does not mean it is good.
Sigh...again you can DIE from drinking water. And do you know what that is commonly referred to? Water poisoning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication[^] So are you now going to run around telling everyone that they shouldn't drink water?
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ryanb31 wrote:
Way to try and wiggle out of it. I'll tell you all day long that drinking beer is bad for you but if you want to, that is your right. You have the right to destroy yourself. It
I agree that people in some countris have the right to express an opinion. Other than that your statement does nothing but attempt to prove it by denigration.
ryanb31 wrote:
It is always interesting to see people reason there way into bad things and justify it just to make themselves not feel so guilty.
It is always interesting to see people attempt to rationalize their own beliefs based on their absolute conviction of the "TRUTH" of the belief. It is very seldom that I encounter anyone that understands that the view of the world is based on a vast subjective framework that often has nothing to do with any real objective data. And even when they think they have objective data they do not understand how likely that objective data itself is based on false premises and/or systematic errors.
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ryanb31 wrote:
Alcohol is a poison so just because you haven't noticed any direct negative impacts from it does not mean it is good.
Sigh...again you can DIE from drinking water. And do you know what that is commonly referred to? Water poisoning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication[^] So are you now going to run around telling everyone that they shouldn't drink water?
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ryanb31 wrote:
Sounds like you are saying there is no truth.
I am saying that I understand where "TRUTH" originates. Other than that feel free to prove that "truth" exists.
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Yes, this is the root of where you go wrong. By your own definition truth is not what you say it is because I believe truth to be as the dictionary defines it. Truth is eternal, it is not subjective in any way. A simple example, 2+2=4. That is truth. Nothing you can do can change that. You will die someday. That is truth. There is nothing subjective about it. Subjectivity means opinion, not truth. Alcohol is poison = truth. Does it kill or do extreme damage in small amounts, maybe not always, but it is a poison, that is truth and there is nothing subjective about that.
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Yes, this is the root of where you go wrong. By your own definition truth is not what you say it is because I believe truth to be as the dictionary defines it. Truth is eternal, it is not subjective in any way. A simple example, 2+2=4. That is truth. Nothing you can do can change that. You will die someday. That is truth. There is nothing subjective about it. Subjectivity means opinion, not truth. Alcohol is poison = truth. Does it kill or do extreme damage in small amounts, maybe not always, but it is a poison, that is truth and there is nothing subjective about that.
ryanb31 wrote:
Yes, this is the root of where you go wrong. By your own definition truth is not what you say it is because I believe truth to be as the dictionary defines it. Truth is eternal, it is not subjective in any way.
I understand that you believe it do be different. That however doesn't make me wrong. Following is one definition of 'truth' and the entire statement makes the subjective nature clear. "a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true"
ryanb31 wrote:
A simple example, 2+2=4. That is truth. Nothing you can do can change that.
Sigh...and from that I would guess that you don't have an extensive background in mathematics. If you did you would understand that there are a number of ways to challenge that truth. One simple way is to start with challenging the definition of what '+' means. Another is to disallow or alter the definition of integer.
ryanb31 wrote:
Alcohol is poison = truth. Does it kill or do extreme damage in small amounts, maybe not always, but it is a poison, that is truth and there is nothing subjective about that.
All sorts of subjective assumptions in that. One obvious glaring hole is the "maybe not always" part. Obviously it isn't even close to always. Certainly hundreds of millions of people drink quite alcohol frequently every day and yet they do not drop dead. On the other hand if the same number of people were drinking arsenic laced beverages then the death rate would be quite high.
