Programming Question
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Heh.. first job at a large computer firm I had was writing job decks and algol programs at Unisys. With punch cards! Cards were on their way out when I did this.. but you could still find folks with large card decks on their desks.
JCL R00lz!
Ship it!
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
For several years, I was involved with helping at a programming competition run by one of Europe's foremost national computing organisations (name not disclosed for obvious reasons). We had the brightest and best teams from academia and professional companies competing in it. We never told the teams that our sophisticated testing, scoring, and marking system that compiled, ran, timed, and collated all of their competition entries was a single monolithic BAT file. Admittedly, it grew over the years as more languages and external dependencies were added to the scope of the competition, but it was still a BAT file.
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It's a shame Henry isn't here He could tell us of his days poking holes in cards!
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Hey! My first job was repairing those things for the Dept of the Navy :) ... in 1992... in Nashville. Figure that out! LOL
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Yes Pete, but alas you are venerable and aged, like me. I bet them young whippersnappers don't!
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I'll be interested to hear how I should be doing this... but I've got batch files sitting on remote servers that create a quick backup of existing code, deploy code from subversion and sync up secondary servers.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Well, here in Cuba the whole process of grading the National Programming Contest for High School students is done using bat files. The last one I made for that earned me the nickname "batman".
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JCL R00lz!
Ship it!
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I still write an occasional batch file, although I use the newer .CMD file extension. For more advanced needs, I rely on WinBatch.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Whateva does the job. My favorite has always been Kornshell. Powershell is cool, but seems to lack the elegance of some of the Unix Shells. .bat files are quick and easy, take very little setup/configuration. However, I emphisize with younger programmers, who want to use something new, or improve make thier skill set more competitive. Just remember that if you dont want to box yourself in (kill any oportunity for promotion), dont make it so complex that someone will never be albe to replace you.
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I have been known to write the odd .bat file, as well as PowerShell scripts.
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I still use .cmd files quite a bit (haven't done .bat's since moving to NT; I still use the term batch file, though I think the proper term for a .cmd is command file :-D). Although I am learning to use PowerShell more, I can still usually whip out a batch file much quicker, depending on what I am doing, though I expect that will change as I become more fluent in PS. I have written some pretty neat and complex batch scripts in recent years (man do I love that for command!).
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Heh.. first job at a large computer firm I had was writing job decks and algol programs at Unisys. With punch cards! Cards were on their way out when I did this.. but you could still find folks with large card decks on their desks.
My first real program in my first real programming job was written in CDC 6000 assembler on two boxes of cards. I try to forget how I would have to make corrections to the cards and then read them back in again to test it. Oh, and yes, I still have a few BAT files that are in use. Don't write very many new ones much any more.
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Same here, I'm a young guy and I just wrapped up writing some serious bat files to replace the old mainframe JCL we had hanging around; the government agency I work for (hint: we sent people to the Moon that one time) just turned off our last mainframe this month. -- Steven
Steven.M.Hunt wrote:
the government agency I work for (hint: we sent people to the Moon that one time) just turned off our last mainframe this month
I read about that. That was an IBM wasn't it? I used to work in Range Safety at the Cape on CDC Cyber 8xx-somethings. Are there any mainframes still use in the guv'ment any where?
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Steven.M.Hunt wrote:
the government agency I work for (hint: we sent people to the Moon that one time) just turned off our last mainframe this month
I read about that. That was an IBM wasn't it? I used to work in Range Safety at the Cape on CDC Cyber 8xx-somethings. Are there any mainframes still use in the guv'ment any where?
Yes we had IBMs, and we had ADABASE and NATURAL running on them. I'm not sure if there are any other agencies running them still, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still out there. We haven't had any running here at the Cape for a while, but the last ones to get turned off were up in Huntsville. -- Steven
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I'm 4 years out of the university and have only used a .bat file recently when I switched companies. Previously I used shell scripts.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I write .cmd files for use in SQL Server jobs, very useful for moving files back and forth and for calling bcp to force bulk imports into a process other than SQL Server (odd how that must work, but "the documentation says so so it must be true." ;)
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I don't write many but do occasionally still use it. -Max
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It's a shame Henry isn't here He could tell us of his days poking holes in cards!
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Dalek Dave wrote:
It's a shame Henry isn't here
He could tell us of his days poking holes in cards!OK, since he's not here then I'll tell you. I used to write FORTRAN IV programs when at GA Tech back in 1976. We used IBM 029 and 026 keypunch units to build our deck which we then fed into a Cyber-74 for compile/run. The output would come out 10 to 30 minutes later on the express printer in the other room. Lather, rinse and repeat. -Max :)
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Heh.. first job at a large computer firm I had was writing job decks and algol programs at Unisys. With punch cards! Cards were on their way out when I did this.. but you could still find folks with large card decks on their desks.
Now I feel old. My first job was purely punch cards. (1977 Burroughs minicomputers)
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Yes Pete, but alas you are venerable and aged, like me. I bet them young whippersnappers don't!
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I'm 16 and I still like the command-line better than GUIs for a lot of things :) I don't know how to do some of the advanced shell programming things, but I do write .BATs for efficiency (for example, cding to very long directories to execute programs with complicated arguments)