'Low-level' vs 'High-level' Programming
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
the growing debate
That debate is about as old as "hardware vs. software" or"tabs vs. spaces" or "Microsoft vs. Apple" or "OOP vs. NOOP" or "Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate.. In every technical field I've worked so far, oppositions between two "schools" or "mindset" or whatever were to be seen. Everywhere. There is always someone who thinks that they do it better than others who themselves think they do it better than the former.
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
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Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
it should be 'Us AND Them'
I agree, otherwise we would risk 'brain damage'. :)
Veni, vidi, vici.
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Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'.
Yeah, let's join to kick the 'middle-level' programmers' ass.
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Low-level wins because of its fundamental importance in cyberdildonics...
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
I consider myself to be a meta-level programmer. ;) And let's not even bring up "metro-level programming." Oops! Marc
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Debate? I never knew such a debate existed. Seems obvious that each have their place. This is not the same as VB vs C# or OOP vs Functional. The later have their place and purposes (erm well lets not turn this into a language debate though). Personally I am 'able' to do both. I think many programmers are able to do both. I would find it hard to beleive that a programer would 'prefer' low level vs. high level as it is by definition not as human readable. If a programmer prefers low level over high, one can safely assume they are merely unfamiliar with many 'good' high level languages as the definition between low level and high level is clear and high level is to make the developers job easier. But when a system demands that extra kick one need to face facts and get into the lower levels to have more control.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Low-level wins because of its fundamental importance in cyberdildonics...
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
the growing debate
That debate is about as old as "hardware vs. software" or"tabs vs. spaces" or "Microsoft vs. Apple" or "OOP vs. NOOP" or "Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate.. In every technical field I've worked so far, oppositions between two "schools" or "mindset" or whatever were to be seen. Everywhere. There is always someone who thinks that they do it better than others who themselves think they do it better than the former.
Rage wrote:
"Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate..
Actually, I understand you love for back - a need to be idolize - to know that at your wake all we ToFu eaters who have outlived you (and because our hearts and arteries are still clear) and maintain active sex lives will be there. So, I understand you, bacon-biter: being the last man left standing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
This is like blonde vs. brunette debate – useless. We need them all and most of us one time or another have been in both.
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Rage wrote:
"Bacon vs. Tofu" No, sorry, Bacon, of course, no debate..
Actually, I understand you love for back - a need to be idolize - to know that at your wake all we ToFu eaters who have outlived you (and because our hearts and arteries are still clear) and maintain active sex lives will be there. So, I understand you, bacon-biter: being the last man left standing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Sorry, but "T-word" eaters don't actually live longer. It just seems that way.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
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I consider myself to be a meta-level programmer. ;) And let's not even bring up "metro-level programming." Oops! Marc
My Blog
The Relationship Oriented Programming IDE
Melody's Amazon Herb SiteMarc Clifton wrote:
And let's not even bring up "metro-level programming." Oops!
Already got a jump on us eh? :)
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IMHO the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers has gotten rather childish. We are all members of the same 'body'. High-level programming allows us (as a 'body' of programmers) to write programs faster than we would otherwise, and therefore high-level programmers offer society a great service. But it should also be noted that high-level programming would not be possible were it not for the continuing effort of low-level programmers. This should not be an 'Us vs Them' thing, it should be 'Us AND Them'. We all need each other - We cannot be as effective without the other as we are together. Both are important... ...or could it be that low-level programmers who are bashing high-level programming, are really just kicking themselves for not getting on the bandwagon earlier... Gee, this is fun. Anyone for a game of tennis? ;) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstien "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstien
Timothy J Sygitowicz wrote:
the growing debate between 'low-level' and 'high-level' programmers
Which ran out of steam back in the early 1990's as I recall. Or was it all just a dream?
Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation - Len Goodman
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Perhaps... Or I guess it could also be called "internals" - Bwahhhh!
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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Sorry, but "T-word" eaters don't actually live longer. It just seems that way.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
OriginalGriff wrote:
Sorry, but "T-word" eaters don't actually live longer.
Mate if you had to eat that crap it would feel like you lived longer!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
