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  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

    LOL. It's your choice to care or not. Just my opinion that you should care, if you believe God exists.

    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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    I meant it more as a question, as in, can you give a reason why we should?

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    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

      depends on what you consider a "fact". Some things people consider "facts" are just theories or themselves deeply held opinions.

      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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      Yes that's exactly the problem I mean..

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      • L Lost User

        I meant it more as a question, as in, can you give a reason why we should?

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        Well, because he's your father, he loves you and wants the best for you, and if you believe in God, you love him in return. We obey our earthly fathers (and care what their opinions are) for much the same reasons.

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

          Well, because he's your father, he loves you and wants the best for you, and if you believe in God, you love him in return. We obey our earthly fathers (and care what their opinions are) for much the same reasons.

          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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          Oh. Well in that case I suppose I might take his opinion under advisement.

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            Yes that's exactly the problem I mean..

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            I can have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not, can't I? Isn't that an opinion about a "fact?" Some people believe in God and consider his existence a fact. Some do not believe in God an consider other peoples belief in his existence (factness) an opinion (to be kind).

            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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            • L Lost User

              Oh. Well in that case I suppose I might take his opinion under advisement.

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              LOL. Good answer.

              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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              • Z ZurdoDev

                The media tell you how to live. School teaches you how to live. Your neighbors influence you how to live. Your government tells you how to live. Athletes tell you how to live. Actors tell you how to live. I could go on and on. The church is no different. Listen if you want to, don't if you don't. It's that simple.

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                ryanb31 wrote:

                The media tell you how to live

                Nope. The vast majority of media is directed at entertainment. Unless perhaps you base your life on what celebrities are doing.

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                School teaches you how to live

                Nope. In many cases teachers are specifically forbidden to teach topics that will impact adults.

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                Your neighbors influence you how to live.

                Not in the slightest.

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                Your government tells you how to live.

                To some extent. But at least where I live a great deal of my life has nothing to do with governments.

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                Athletes tell you how to live. Actors tell you how to live.

                Not me they don't.

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                I could go on and on.

                ...presenting false analogies.

                ryanb31 wrote:

                The church is no different. Listen if you want to, don't if you don't. It's that simple.

                Quite a bit different when your church, which I do not attend, decides that they should enforce their rules on non-members including me. Similar to, and based on your analogy, if Tom Cruise insisted that everyone should be required to joing the church of Scientology.

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                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                  I can have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not, can't I? Isn't that an opinion about a "fact?" Some people believe in God and consider his existence a fact. Some do not believe in God an consider other peoples belief in his existence (factness) an opinion (to be kind).

                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                  Well it gets sort of complicated down that road. Facts are only supposed to be "actual truths" (by definition), but that's not always known. In those cases, it's not considered a fact (yet). But sometimes things aren't really known yet but we think they are, and things get messy. Supposed facts may later turn out to be non-facts (eg the general applicability of Newtons laws). Messy. And that is also why yes, you may have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not. But invalid doubts (eg unjustified opinions)? Sorry, no. That is to say, think what you want, but invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.

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                    Well it gets sort of complicated down that road. Facts are only supposed to be "actual truths" (by definition), but that's not always known. In those cases, it's not considered a fact (yet). But sometimes things aren't really known yet but we think they are, and things get messy. Supposed facts may later turn out to be non-facts (eg the general applicability of Newtons laws). Messy. And that is also why yes, you may have valid doubts as to whether something is a fact or not. But invalid doubts (eg unjustified opinions)? Sorry, no. That is to say, think what you want, but invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.

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                    harold aptroot wrote:

                    invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.

                    True, but then it may just be your opinion that any given doubt is invalid. And so, we go in circles.

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                      harold aptroot wrote:

                      invalid doubts do not make very good arguments.

                      True, but then it may just be your opinion that any given doubt is invalid. And so, we go in circles.

                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                      Sure, that can happen. Conditional fallacies are especially susceptible to that. Usually it's pretty clear cut though. If an argument can be identified as a logical fallacy, it's bitbucket material.

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