Windows 8
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
True that. Maybe they wanted to let OEMs customize the "experience". Maybe. There is already a start8 app by start dock. Which kinda re-enables the start menu. Maybe there will be a Samsung/Dell/Nokia/... button on the tablets. Again maybe. These are just my speculations. I have absolutely no ideea.
All the best, Dan
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My theory is this. Windows 8 is not meant to survive or gain any footing. Windows 8 is to aid us developers make the transision. MS knows a shift is comming. It has already started. Now while we look around we say no way, desktop forever. While that may be partially true new things are opening up. Mobile is taking over and businesses understand this. They however don't really 'understand' it. Mobility however is on the Slope of enlightment. MS waitied while others jumped on board and spent literally billions paving the way. Now MS simply is spending their billions for tools. What does this mean? MS is backed by developers who make solid products. That has been their backbone for quite some time now. With a paridigm shift however their tools have become obsolete. Even their OS was not prepped to handle the shift. So it seems that Windows 8 is a guinea pig. It provides devs with WinRT and the new model they have conceptualized. I doubt MS needs the 'businesses' to pick up Windows 8 for this to occur. There is enough market with out it even. Everyday consumers will fill the void (your mom and computer illiterate pappy). Behind them will be a set of developers seeing some $ in the market, or just some developers who program to it as a hobby. After about a year MS will see where they failed and aggressively begin the counter. After about a year or 2 then you will see again a new OS which will likely be consumed by all entities including the businesses that are clinging to XP and/or 7. This newer OS will likely integrate most MS products more fluidly. You can see how they have been trying to do it with ad-hocs over the years. Well these next few releases (all products) are not ad-hocs but re-design. So in summary they have re-designed for the long haul. They will take a hit on the earnings over the next year or two, but after that it is highly likely MS surges most markets. Hate W8 if you want. Or maybe be the first to dabble in it. Learn from it and write blogs and books. Write some simple apps and make some small profit to then fund the larger ventures yet to come.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
MS waitied while others jumped on board and spent literally billions paving the way. Now MS simply is spending their billions for tools. What does this mean?
Don't call us tools :)
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
My theory is this. Windows 8 is not meant to survive or gain any footing.
Windows 8 is to aid us developers make the transision.Great, but it might just covince many to transition away from Microsoft altogether.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
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Atleast the keyboard shorcut (Win key) did not pop up start menu? Or alt + F4 on the desktop when no app window is displayed also shud have popped up shutdown button/menu right?
zenwalker1985 wrote:
Atleast the keyboard shorcut (Win key) did not pop up start menu?
Win key didn't work but I was using logmein.com to remote in to my XenServer console which was running the Win8. When I get home I will work with it some more and enable RDC.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
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JoeSox wrote:
Taking away the normal Start button
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical. :-)
So, how do you find using Settings > Power > Shutdown?
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JoeSox wrote:
Taking away the normal Start button
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical. :-)
Why? You switch of a car's engine with the ignition key.
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Why? You switch of a car's engine with the ignition key.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Actually, you turn off my wife's car by hitting the Start button.
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Actually, you turn off my wife's car by hitting the Start button.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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So, how do you find using Settings > Power > Shutdown?
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It just sets the computer to work on 0 power for next few hours. It's called the shutdown mode and it IS a setting. And while everybody is trying to reduce the number of clicks and keystrokes... :doh:
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
It is not neccessily bad, but unfortunately, it is not good. When I went to Vista, that was a pain. What really frustrated me was the ribbon. All MS had to do was provide a way to get to the old menus, and would have made a lot of people happy. The Ribbon is much better for some things, and much worse for less frequently used things. Since I have not used Windows 8, I do not know. I do know I do not like the version 10 IE, which makes it harder to change magnification, leaves less space for the tabs, and does not have a search box. Progress is not always goos.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
MS waitied while others jumped on board and spent literally billions paving the way. Now MS simply is spending their billions for tools. What does this mean?
Don't call us tools :)
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
My theory is this. Windows 8 is not meant to survive or gain any footing.
Windows 8 is to aid us developers make the transision.Great, but it might just covince many to transition away from Microsoft altogether.
I'm invincible, I can't be vinced
I know you were joking, but just to be clear the tools are the frameworks etc.
CDP1802 wrote:
Great, but it might just covince many to transition away from Microsoft altogether.
The question is who? Over the next couple years the purchases are going to be everyday consumers NOT business system upgrades. These consumers are already transitioning away from MS but not because they are not happy with them, because they do not offer an option. Most of these consumers want mobile. Frankly Windows is not an option today compared to alternatives. However, if you are not wanting mobile (i.e. need a new Desktop) what will you choose? Today most take Windows 7. By the end of the year a large percentage of that will shift to W8 (after the release). Sure some will say no no I want to stick with Windows 7 (same thing happend when Vista was out... People took XP over it). Your other option is to go with OS X, which that tends to be people who were already purchasing Macs. However, any loss that they might take for someone who shifts away will likely be made up in their missing market right now (lack of any mobility). So it seems over the next year they will not actually loose much overall market share... It will simply shift some (gain mobility market from the leaders i.e. google and apple and loose some non-mobility to the trailers i.e. apple or linux/unix).
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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JoeSox wrote:
Taking away the normal Start button
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical. :-)
Shameel wrote:
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical.
lol. it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
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Shameel wrote:
That's actually nice. I've always thought of Start --> Shutdown as too paradoxical.
lol. it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
JoeSox wrote:
it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Only for those few old-school users who still click the shutdown button. Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
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JoeSox wrote:
it's like 3 to 4 clicks now to freakin shutdown... crazy.
Only for those few old-school users who still click the shutdown button. Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Can't tell if this is a factitious comment or not but not everyone uses laptop, esp. the majority of workstations in a business.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
I work for a major OEM, and I can tell you that there are alot of worried people around here. Win 8 is a disaster in the making. MS will lose alot of people to other OS's.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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I work for a major OEM, and I can tell you that there are alot of worried people around here. Win 8 is a disaster in the making. MS will lose alot of people to other OS's.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
Kevin Marois wrote:
I work for a major OEM, and I can tell you that there are alot of worried people around here.
MS is pretty good at listing to feedback, or at least they were for Windows 7 but yes. I dunno, Win8 seems like non-business OS to me (from using the preview) but the hardware support still will be taking dumb training OS calls I could see that happening for sure.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
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Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Most just close the lid of their notebook and it shuts down (or hibernates) automatically.
Can't tell if this is a factitious comment or not but not everyone uses laptop, esp. the majority of workstations in a business.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
Even those can be shut down using the same hardware button that was used to turn them on - same as all other electronic devices. Sure, a shutdown button would be nice for desktop use. But Windows 8 clearly isn't designed for desktops. It's all about the consumer market and consumers are using laptops, netbooks and tablets.
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This is not good news if you work in your companies IT department. Taking away the normal Start button just plain old sucks. Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers. I better stop now before I get too angry. X| :mad: Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime but people will undoubtedly purchase their own laptops and we have to migrate those in. (I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing)
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
JoeSox wrote:
Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers
Not Microsoft, but your boss. He's the one that buys Windows.
JoeSox wrote:
Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime
Aw, spare me, that complaint comes with every new version of Windows. Have you read the motif on removing the button?
JoeSox wrote:
I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing
I haven't tried the beta yet, but I presume
Alt-F4has been left unchanged. They like to keep backward compatible with old elephants like me :)Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
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JoeSox wrote:
Looks like Microsoft wants IT departments to become Windows 8 Trainers
Not Microsoft, but your boss. He's the one that buys Windows.
JoeSox wrote:
Sure we are not going to change from Windows 7 for sometime
Aw, spare me, that complaint comes with every new version of Windows. Have you read the motif on removing the button?
JoeSox wrote:
I had to google just to figure out how to shut down that darn thing
I haven't tried the beta yet, but I presume
Alt-F4has been left unchanged. They like to keep backward compatible with old elephants like me :)Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Aw, spare me, that complaint comes with every new version of Windows.
Wasn't a complaint, just a fact.
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - CPForAndroid++
