anti-christmas jerks
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Jason Henderson wrote: The original concept of christmas was pagan, but I think the roman catholic church took the pagan holiday + the jewish feast of the tabernacle (i think thats the one) and made their own holiday celebrating the birth of christ. So there is a connection and thats why some people celebrate. I know the origins of Christmas and why some people celebrate it. However, Christmas has nothing to do with real Christiantiy. I still celebrate it, but not as a religious holy day. It's more like Thanksgiving Part 2. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: However, Christmas has nothing to do with real Christiantiy. I still celebrate it, but not as a religious holy day. It's more like Thanksgiving Part 2. I agree. Easter should be more important, but in reality, everyday is a holy day.
Jason Henderson
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Jason Gerard wrote: I agree, while I don't think Christmas has anything to do with Chrisitanity other than a name similarity, these people seem hell bent on destroying christianity. The original concept of christmas was pagan, but I think the roman catholic church took the pagan holiday + the jewish feast of the tabernacle (i think thats the one) and made their own holiday celebrating the birth of christ. So there is a connection and thats why some people celebrate. Jason Gerard wrote: In today's world, you can believe whatever you want and express it however you want, as long as it's not Christianity. How very true. :(
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: The original concept of christmas was pagan That is not quite true. The holiday we call Christmas replaced a much older pagan holiday celebrated at about that same time of year. The early church had to adapt itself to the pagan's holiday schedules. There was just no way the pagan's were going to give up their annual winter pilgramages to the shopping mall's "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Jason Gerard wrote: However, Christmas has nothing to do with real Christiantiy. I still celebrate it, but not as a religious holy day. It's more like Thanksgiving Part 2. I agree. Easter should be more important, but in reality, everyday is a holy day.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Easter should be more important, Easter is another holiday I don't celebrate at all. It has no biblical basis. The death of the Lord is to be remembered every Lord's Day in the Lord's Supper until he comes. There is no need for an annual holiday to celebrate it when it is done (well, not by most, but it should be) every Sunday. (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 11) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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I think your post should have been titled "anti-christian jerks". I'm not very religious myself, but I am constantly amazed at the level of antipathy, hate and intolerance displayed by the western world at the source of its own moral underpinnings. I can understand that the Islamic world might have such feelings, but I fail to understand the source of those feelings within our own culture. We have gone far past any sane interpretation of "separation of church and state" and are now firmly in the "Death to any moral authority competing with the moral authority of the state" phase of things. It is very much a cultural civil war of sorts. God, as usual, is on my side. :) "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Did you read just the beginning of the article?The main part is about two people who are heavily against the commercialization of Christmas. I like their sign, I really like it. and Christmas celebrations are about 4000 years old - the "birth of Christ" has been modeled onto existing holidays, like many other christian holidays.
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Jason Henderson wrote: Easter should be more important, Easter is another holiday I don't celebrate at all. It has no biblical basis. The death of the Lord is to be remembered every Lord's Day in the Lord's Supper until he comes. There is no need for an annual holiday to celebrate it when it is done (well, not by most, but it should be) every Sunday. (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 11) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
I was simply trying to say that if we would celebrate holidays for christian purposes, Easter would be the most important.
Jason Henderson
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I was simply trying to say that if we would celebrate holidays for christian purposes, Easter would be the most important.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Understood. And Merry Christmas. :) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Only in Canada[^] Just kidding about the "only in Canada" remark. There are idiots like this all over the world.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *From the article: > Mrs. Williams [...] said she has good memories of the Christmases she had > as a child. But the growing commercialism of the season and its Christian > exclusivity had long troubled her. Could it be instead, oh, I dunno, because she used to see Christmas through the eyes of a child, but now that she's an adult, her perception has changed? Welcome to the real world. BTW, most Jews I know (I'm by definition catholic myself) are wondering exactly *who* is getting offended by the "Christmas" references, and agree that it's incredibly lame to change something like "the spirit of Christmas" to "the spirit of giving" or the "holiday tree". Political correctness be damned, that is what gets me :mad:
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Gluttony. Envy. Insincerity. Greed. So, you don't appreciate truth in advertising? As a holdiay, Christmas has lost most/all of it's original meaning. The really funny part of the whole un-christianizing of Christmas is that only Christians should be celebrating it. Muslims don't, Jews don't, atheists don't. Yet, everyone wants to change it to something non-secular and more commercial. Imagine how silly some of the traditional songs would sound if "Christmas" was replaced by "holiday". "I'm dreaming of a white Holiday..." - this could even imply on racist views if sung at any time other than December. "Oh Holiday tree, oh Holiday tree..." - good. Now we can include Elm, Oak, and Ash in with those peskyy pine trees. I think many of other trees are discriminated against during the "Holiday" season, so this can only be seen as a good thing. And what's with that totally arbitrary and made-up holiday called Kwanza? I mean seriously, what the FUCK is that all about? let's talk about self-serving... The Christmas season sucks, and EVERYBODY that does or doesn't celebtrate it is at fault. Get over it. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
I mostly agree, Christmas is now just an other occasion to eat and drink, and making business
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Only in Canada[^] Just kidding about the "only in Canada" remark. There are idiots like this all over the world.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: There are idiots like this all over the world. I don't mind being called an idiot. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Only in Canada[^] Just kidding about the "only in Canada" remark. There are idiots like this all over the world.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *"Gluttony. Envy. Insincerity. Greed. Enjoy Your Christmas." Tell me that they do not have a point ? They started with a pagan ritual, put Christ into it ( HE never really fit ), Coke added Santa, and it went downhill from there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
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From the article: > Mrs. Williams [...] said she has good memories of the Christmases she had > as a child. But the growing commercialism of the season and its Christian > exclusivity had long troubled her. Could it be instead, oh, I dunno, because she used to see Christmas through the eyes of a child, but now that she's an adult, her perception has changed? Welcome to the real world. BTW, most Jews I know (I'm by definition catholic myself) are wondering exactly *who* is getting offended by the "Christmas" references, and agree that it's incredibly lame to change something like "the spirit of Christmas" to "the spirit of giving" or the "holiday tree". Political correctness be damned, that is what gets me :mad:
Daniel Desormeaux wrote: Political correctness be damned, that is what gets me Yeah, I agree 500%. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
"Gluttony. Envy. Insincerity. Greed. Enjoy Your Christmas." Tell me that they do not have a point ? They started with a pagan ritual, put Christ into it ( HE never really fit ), Coke added Santa, and it went downhill from there. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002They do have a point, but the reason they hate christmas is not just because of the commercialism, etc. Its also because Santa is an overweight heterosexual white guy.
Jason Henderson
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The Christmas season sucks, and EVERYBODY that does or doesn't celebtrate it is at fault. Get over it. So everybody is at fault? Why do these people have to try and make a holiday some people enjoy into something totally twisted?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Because it *is* totally twisted. Like I said, truth in advertising... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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They do have a point, but the reason they hate christmas is not just because of the commercialism, etc. Its also because Santa is an overweight heterosexual white guy.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Its also because Santa is an overweight heterosexual white guy. So what ? So am I. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
