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How did they not notice?

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    "The poachers, still at large, were able to cut through 80 percent of the base of the tree -- which had a diameter of nine feet -- before park staff finally noticed what was going on..." "then poachers "have returned at their leisure without fear of consequence and cut up, hauled out, and taken away the tree in sections. "This has required seriously heavy equipment," http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11756204-vancouver-island-parks-800-year-old-tree-falls-to-illegal-loggers?lite[^] A three meter diameter tree would have been several dozen meters tall and more than a few kilos. How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?


    Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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      "The poachers, still at large, were able to cut through 80 percent of the base of the tree -- which had a diameter of nine feet -- before park staff finally noticed what was going on..." "then poachers "have returned at their leisure without fear of consequence and cut up, hauled out, and taken away the tree in sections. "This has required seriously heavy equipment," http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11756204-vancouver-island-parks-800-year-old-tree-falls-to-illegal-loggers?lite[^] A three meter diameter tree would have been several dozen meters tall and more than a few kilos. How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?


      Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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      My guess is that when cornered the politicians in charge will claim the park service is underfunded. Any time government fails it's because it don't have enough money. Incompetence, laziness, or apathy of govenment employees is NEVER the problem.

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        "The poachers, still at large, were able to cut through 80 percent of the base of the tree -- which had a diameter of nine feet -- before park staff finally noticed what was going on..." "then poachers "have returned at their leisure without fear of consequence and cut up, hauled out, and taken away the tree in sections. "This has required seriously heavy equipment," http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11756204-vancouver-island-parks-800-year-old-tree-falls-to-illegal-loggers?lite[^] A three meter diameter tree would have been several dozen meters tall and more than a few kilos. How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?


        Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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        Bribery. You have not been scorned like the people of my city and state enough to see an inside job, or in this case, outdoor job.

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          My guess is that when cornered the politicians in charge will claim the park service is underfunded. Any time government fails it's because it don't have enough money. Incompetence, laziness, or apathy of govenment employees is NEVER the problem.

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          Its not about failing governments or politicians placing blame. Cutting through 2.5 meters of Cedar takes a long time and makes a lot of noise and requires heavy saws. Not to mention carrying away the 1000s of kilos requiring big trucks and a lot of time to haul all the wood out of the forest. No one noticed any of this activity? Even after first discovering the tree vandalized the forest rangers didn't think to monitor the area?


          Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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            Bribery. You have not been scorned like the people of my city and state enough to see an inside job, or in this case, outdoor job.

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            wizardzz wrote:

            Bribery

            I might even look the other way for a few of the new sexy plastic notes.


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              Its not about failing governments or politicians placing blame. Cutting through 2.5 meters of Cedar takes a long time and makes a lot of noise and requires heavy saws. Not to mention carrying away the 1000s of kilos requiring big trucks and a lot of time to haul all the wood out of the forest. No one noticed any of this activity? Even after first discovering the tree vandalized the forest rangers didn't think to monitor the area?


              Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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              I made the assumption the forest rangers were government employees. Was I wrong about that?

              Mark Nischalke wrote:

              Even after first discovering the tree vandalized the forest rangers didn't think to monitor the area?

              QED.

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                "The poachers, still at large, were able to cut through 80 percent of the base of the tree -- which had a diameter of nine feet -- before park staff finally noticed what was going on..." "then poachers "have returned at their leisure without fear of consequence and cut up, hauled out, and taken away the tree in sections. "This has required seriously heavy equipment," http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11756204-vancouver-island-parks-800-year-old-tree-falls-to-illegal-loggers?lite[^] A three meter diameter tree would have been several dozen meters tall and more than a few kilos. How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?


                Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                Joe Woodbury
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                In 1964, a graduate student cut down one of the oldest trees in the world for "research purposes."

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                  In 1964, a graduate student cut down one of the oldest trees in the world for "research purposes."

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                  Research is different. As long as it was for a good cause I'm sure he was justified. :-D


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                    Bribery. You have not been scorned like the people of my city and state enough to see an inside job, or in this case, outdoor job.

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                    wizardzz wrote:

                    an inside job

                    <theory type='conspiracy' > Absolutely, the rangers would have been best positioned to cut it down, haul it off, and sell it then say it was poachers and they need more funding -- you need to see who benefits, who has motive, opportunity, and ability. </theory>

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                      Research is different. As long as it was for a good cause I'm sure he was justified. :-D


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                      Kind of like killing all the fish in a lake so you can count them.

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                        "The poachers, still at large, were able to cut through 80 percent of the base of the tree -- which had a diameter of nine feet -- before park staff finally noticed what was going on..." "then poachers "have returned at their leisure without fear of consequence and cut up, hauled out, and taken away the tree in sections. "This has required seriously heavy equipment," http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11756204-vancouver-island-parks-800-year-old-tree-falls-to-illegal-loggers?lite[^] A three meter diameter tree would have been several dozen meters tall and more than a few kilos. How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?


                        Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                        Seems some rich vancouver business man or politician asked to make custom furniture out of 800years old tree. Kind'a comunist's style. Everybody knew just have been paid to not to see and pretend being stupid. shit... that would be freaking beautiful furniture...

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                          "The poachers, still at large, were able to cut through 80 percent of the base of the tree -- which had a diameter of nine feet -- before park staff finally noticed what was going on..." "then poachers "have returned at their leisure without fear of consequence and cut up, hauled out, and taken away the tree in sections. "This has required seriously heavy equipment," http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11756204-vancouver-island-parks-800-year-old-tree-falls-to-illegal-loggers?lite[^] A three meter diameter tree would have been several dozen meters tall and more than a few kilos. How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?


                          Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                          Mark Nischalke wrote:

                          How could they have not noticed what was happening? Repeatedly?

                          Have you been in a forest? Have you been in a "remote" park? Have you ever attempted to survey 64 square miles (the size of that park)? As for the equipment given that access to the park is via private logging roads so why anyone would think it is difficult to do this task is beyond me. Moreover the park is full of big/old trees. I doubt it would ever be economically feasible for rangers to check every single one, often enough to preclude destroying one.

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