Microsoft Surface and Windows 8...Are you starting to learn to code for it?
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Brian C Hart wrote:
I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
:doh: It is like saying Sun will continue to rise in the east in the near future. The point is not whether Microsoft will go away anytime, the point is whether Surface will catch up to the competition. I see some good things in Surface (The keyboard which doubles as cover) but it is still lacking when compared to iPad. You will not be able to port your apps running on Windows 7. I can see it being useful in some areas such as hospitals and clinics. However, it will be tough to overtake iPad just as Windows Phone 7 is nowhere near iPhone yet (in market share and features).
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
However, it will be tough to overtake iPad
It doesn't need to overtake or even catch it. It just needs to be successful enough to be relevant. Quite possibly it will do better than Android tablets. But I suspect Apple customers are quite sticky and will continue to buy iPads in their tens of millions.
Kevin
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Brian C Hart wrote:
I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
:doh: It is like saying Sun will continue to rise in the east in the near future. The point is not whether Microsoft will go away anytime, the point is whether Surface will catch up to the competition. I see some good things in Surface (The keyboard which doubles as cover) but it is still lacking when compared to iPad. You will not be able to port your apps running on Windows 7. I can see it being useful in some areas such as hospitals and clinics. However, it will be tough to overtake iPad just as Windows Phone 7 is nowhere near iPhone yet (in market share and features).
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
Nope, not at this time. If we were to develop a tablet "version" of our desktop application, we would be knee deep in Win8/Metro. We don't have the infrastructure to start porting on Android or iPad.
Watched code never compiles.
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The ARM based one nope but the "Intel inside" one should be able to port win 7 apps. Mind you, should. :)
All the best, Dan
Yes, that makes sense.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
You will not be able to port your apps running on Windows 7.
Unless I'm missing something, the Pro version should be able to run your Windows 7 apps just fine (it runs on an Intel i5 instead of an ARM CPU).
Technically, yes. But what is the point of porting an app that does not use the features of the device. You may have to modify the app is some shape or form to make it use the hardware features. For instance, I use a touchscreen monitor but I rarely use the touch feature when using VS, Browser, Explorer etc.
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Technically, yes. But what is the point of porting an app that does not use the features of the device. You may have to modify the app is some shape or form to make it use the hardware features. For instance, I use a touchscreen monitor but I rarely use the touch feature when using VS, Browser, Explorer etc.
It's running Windows 8, and it has a mouse and keyboard. You don't have to do anything, it should be able to just run them. If you want to add touch centric features fine, but you don't even need to port it, it should run without any changes/recompilation/etc.
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It's running Windows 8, and it has a mouse and keyboard. You don't have to do anything, it should be able to just run them. If you want to add touch centric features fine, but you don't even need to port it, it should run without any changes/recompilation/etc.
As I said, you are right. But that is not my point at all, the thing is that there is no value proposition in offering regular apps on Surface.
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As I said, you are right. But that is not my point at all, the thing is that there is no value proposition in offering regular apps on Surface.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
there is no value proposition in offering regular apps on Surface.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You get a tablet, that can do everything a tablet can do. If you stop there, you're equal to the competition, neither better or worse off. But this tablet can also run desktop apps. That's something other tablets can't do. That's the selling point to try to go above and beyond the competition. It's not that you'd go out of your way to make a desktop application for it, it's that if you wrote a desktop application it would also happen to work on the tablet. And in fact for me, one of the most useful things I could think to do with it is use it with OneNote, a desktop application that would benefit from the touch screen (especially with the included pen).
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I'm excited to get the Surface. I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
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I'm excited to get the Surface. I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
chuckforest wrote:
I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
Yeah, there is the nerd pleasure of coding at the drop of a pin, ANY pin... :)
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I wonder who's going to be the first to break the Surface with bug reports. Think of the ripple effect it would cause. Would it start a wave of descent, and rock the very depth of the Microsoft Illuminati? Will anyone really give a carp, or will they just pier off into the distance, and mutter in a Reagan-esque tone, "Whale?!, that's a beach!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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I wonder who's going to be the first to break the Surface with bug reports. Think of the ripple effect it would cause. Would it start a wave of descent, and rock the very depth of the Microsoft Illuminati? Will anyone really give a carp, or will they just pier off into the distance, and mutter in a Reagan-esque tone, "Whale?!, that's a beach!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Then again maybe Microsoft will get sued by the EU antitrust people again.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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Then again maybe Microsoft will get sued by the EU antitrust people again.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I'm sure they've got a whole team of lawyers dedicated to antitrust suits by now... I'm guessing those attorneys have gotten quite a bit of practice over the last decade. :laugh:
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A man of few words...
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
Not planning on it any time soon. To be honest I'm pretty much fed up with the state of affairs in programming for mobile devices now, as soon as I can start re-using code between Apple/Android/Windows devices I might get interested again. Until that happens though I'm looking at HTML5 as the way forward simply because all of the devices have a web browser.
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
My clients are very conservative, they are still considering mobile applications. It is understandable, they need advanced versions only, cut-off ones are useless. I guess when the WinRT and WinRT+classic estimates are added, some will stop thinking and start ordering. Code reuse cuts costs and cut costs make wonders.
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I haven't started learning yet, as I'm still up to my ears converting from VB6/ASP to .NET 4.0. We have 2 tablet applications written in .NET Windows Forms that need updating. They are only used to collect data for upload into the web application, and should be thought of as disconnected modules rather than stand alone applications. With the anouncement of the MS Surface, I think we have a viable platform to use. We want to stay with .NET to share Business Layer code with the web application, and to ease the WCF calls. I'm sure it will take the Army Golden Master program awhile to adopt and provide a secure image of the Win 8 RT OS, so I expect I will have plenty of time to learn to program for Metro and to re-write the applications. I'm looking forward to providing the features my customers need on a platform that they want.
Bruce Clegg
