Hard Decision
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Hi Ahri, While no one but you can, ultimately, decide what is of true value (short-term, and long-term) at this point in your life, in my humble opinion there's a little more information needed here about your current situation, and the future prospect 1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ? 2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated. 3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point. Say a little more, and I think you'll get some interesting feedback. good luck, Bill
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BillWoodruff wrote:
1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ?
2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated.
3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point.Hi Bill, thank you for replying and sorry for my late reply. 1. I work here as a programmer and writing every application they asked. What I gain from here is only coding experience and wages. No bonuses and other. Moreover, I code using Vb.Net. When I change into C#, the company didn't agree, they said that the other programmer don't undestand it. 2. I don't even know what position I'll be placed, but I know the director will train and evaluate everything, my attitude, how I solve problem, loyalty, and other. Simple explanation, he's going to judge whether I deserve to be a director or not. 3. If i take the new position, I'll work and learn everything until I finish my college. It's about 2 years. After that, he will send me outside town and manage his company, he had a lot of company. And if he thinks I deserve it all, I'm not working with him anymore. He'll open a new business for me, and I only take half from income. Sweet? I realized writing application and sell it won't make me success hardly, there are too many games company with hundreds or maybe thousands programmer and designer. Me and my friend? 2 programmer and 1 designer. What we can produce might lose in quantity and quality, but I won't give up on this. I think I'd better resign now, accept the new job and keep writing application (out-sourcing). What do you think about it? :laugh:
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BillWoodruff wrote:
1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ?
2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated.
3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point.Hi Bill, thank you for replying and sorry for my late reply. 1. I work here as a programmer and writing every application they asked. What I gain from here is only coding experience and wages. No bonuses and other. Moreover, I code using Vb.Net. When I change into C#, the company didn't agree, they said that the other programmer don't undestand it. 2. I don't even know what position I'll be placed, but I know the director will train and evaluate everything, my attitude, how I solve problem, loyalty, and other. Simple explanation, he's going to judge whether I deserve to be a director or not. 3. If i take the new position, I'll work and learn everything until I finish my college. It's about 2 years. After that, he will send me outside town and manage his company, he had a lot of company. And if he thinks I deserve it all, I'm not working with him anymore. He'll open a new business for me, and I only take half from income. Sweet? I realized writing application and sell it won't make me success hardly, there are too many games company with hundreds or maybe thousands programmer and designer. Me and my friend? 2 programmer and 1 designer. What we can produce might lose in quantity and quality, but I won't give up on this. I think I'd better resign now, accept the new job and keep writing application (out-sourcing). What do you think about it? :laugh:
Hi Ahri, As much as I'd like to, I feel I can't offer you useful feedback in this scenario because I have no idea what the "new job: where, eventually, you will become a director of a company" actually is: will it take you completely out of the programming field, will it take up so much of your time, for some unknown period of time, that you will not have the time and energy to, for example, strengthen your C# skills (if that's a direction you want to go). I respect their may be reasons, like privacy, you don't want to disclose the "new job's" details publicly. But, the key questions remain, for me: does the "new job" pay you a salary; and, how much does that increase in income mean for you (and or your wife, or children, if any). In any case, you have to listen to both your mind, your "guts," and "weigh" what they are telling you in the light of your knowledge of what the "new job" actually is, and reach that decision, which I am sure you will, even though it is always natural to have "second-thoughts" until your "focus" becomes clear, and you become accustomed to your new employment, and the lifestyle changes it may require. It is a struggle for all of us, I believe, to come to grips with the opportunity to change, and to become clear about, and act on, what is of "true and enduring" value, at a given point in our lives. good luck, Bill
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Hi Ahri, As much as I'd like to, I feel I can't offer you useful feedback in this scenario because I have no idea what the "new job: where, eventually, you will become a director of a company" actually is: will it take you completely out of the programming field, will it take up so much of your time, for some unknown period of time, that you will not have the time and energy to, for example, strengthen your C# skills (if that's a direction you want to go). I respect their may be reasons, like privacy, you don't want to disclose the "new job's" details publicly. But, the key questions remain, for me: does the "new job" pay you a salary; and, how much does that increase in income mean for you (and or your wife, or children, if any). In any case, you have to listen to both your mind, your "guts," and "weigh" what they are telling you in the light of your knowledge of what the "new job" actually is, and reach that decision, which I am sure you will, even though it is always natural to have "second-thoughts" until your "focus" becomes clear, and you become accustomed to your new employment, and the lifestyle changes it may require. It is a struggle for all of us, I believe, to come to grips with the opportunity to change, and to become clear about, and act on, what is of "true and enduring" value, at a given point in our lives. good luck, Bill
It keeps me humble to think there's more bacteria in my gut than neurons in my brain, and that twenty trillion neutrinos pass through one hand a second, and that the average mattress contains 20 million bedbugs each of whom shits once per hour.
Hi Bill, The new job is just an ordinary job (business based) that pay me every month. Actually I don't really care about how much they raise my salary. I'd be glad to explain, Where I am now { Working as a programmer // Using VB.Net & SQL Server 2008 Bad management of IT // This company have only 3 programmer, all my senior had resigned, then they hire two new programmer. The first programmer handle Sales. The second programmer handle Warehouse Management. And me, I handle Marketing Communication, Customer Relationship Management, Coupon and Lottery Program and other. I have 10 projects right now, at the same time I've told to edit 4 projects. I asked my manager to hire more programmer for me, he refused (and said 10 is good, if you can handle more, it's better) I'm 20 years old, 1 year here and handle 10 projects. Both new programmer was 27 3 months here and they handle only one. Yes I never dissapoint them, but it's not the reason to give a lot of projects. Salary // If I told you how much is it, you'll tell me to resign today. Prospect // I'm not interested, they didn't raise employee position. They hire and put someone in a better position. If I'm 30 now, I'm still a programmer. } New job { No IT position for me // This is the reason I'm confuse and post this in Code Project. I love IT, I love being a programmer and I'm proud of it. Why // I don't know what position he will put me in, but I'm sure I can do it although I don't know how good their system and management. It's not MLM company, and I'm interested in their prospect, useful and trustable employee had a chance being promoted and paid by % of income. For example my cousin, promoted as a director of one of his company and paid half from income. I'm not sure whether he is still called an employee. But my cousin fully in charge of that company now. } Additional : He said, if I'm interested to work for him, he'll evaluate my skill and attitude whether I'm suitable to handle his company. Tha's why I don't know what division he will put me in. The new job is better right? Sorry for bad english, and thank you for the reply, Ahri