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realJSOP

I don't recall coming in stating that I was trying to be everybody's friend, politcally correct, understanding, or to coddle whiners, or humour the sick and twisted, and I didn't see "Support Group" on the door when I walked in, so kiss my ass. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

Lost User

Benjy, you might need to delete the temporary files, I did :rose: The tigress is here :-D

realJSOP

Oh my god, you are so witty. I have no responce. You have bested me yet again. Are you related to Michelle? ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

Jeremy Falcon

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. John, lord knows I don't agree with this nor think it's right in any form. You know as well as I do, there are "girlie" guys who quite frankly don't deserve a dick anyway. But, it's their life to do with whatever they choose - just like you and I can both choose to be proud of our manhood. Oh, just remember, you're not going to find too many manly, burly guys that don't give a damn what people think on CP ya know - just a few. Chances are, if there were more here, you'd have more support in your views. Just remember the type of people you're preaching to when venting. Jeremy Falcon Imputek Excrement escapes everyone - even elders.

KaRl

Jason Henderson wrote: think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. Even if I totally disagree with what JS said, you're right (yes, you correctly read, I've said you're right ;)), he can express his opinion freely (as long as it isn't a direct call to hatred, xenophobia or racism), that's the purpose of the Soapbox. Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be honest about your feelings. It's probably right from a diplomatic point of view, but what about the conscience? Even if I know I'm saying something which will put me in trouble, I have to say it better than being hypocritical

Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop

Ray Cassick

Personally, anyone that has enough conviction to take on what Anna did deserves alot of credit. You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but you should atleast recognize the strength that it took to achieve what she did. With all the potential losses that could have come from this (job/familly/freinds/etc...) she stuck with it and followed through. Cheers, and good luck is all I have to say. And to think that I still can't decide what kind of a tatoo I would want...

Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."

Stan Shannon

Maybe what I should have said was - bet ya don't have the balls to do that again! :laugh: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Jason Henderson

KaЯl wrote: Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be honest about your feelings. It's probably right from a diplomatic point of view, but what about the conscience? Even if I know I'm saying something which will put me in trouble, I have to say it better than being hypocritical Maybe I should go back and edit that message because "honest" isn' tthe right word. Replace honest with "vocal". KaЯl wrote: you're right (yes, you correctly read, I've said you're right ) There's a first! :laugh:

Jason Henderson
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David Wulff

John, give up, you are not being remotely funny here and you are hurting an awful lot of people. I'll only kiss your arse if you wipe the shit off.

David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

Michael P Butler

I'm finding the entire thread hilarious. Once again human nature reveals itself. Both sides of the discussion are showing man's true colours. Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct. There is a lot of intolerance on both sides and nobody is covering themselves with glory. It's like being down the pub but without the booze. :-D Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen

realJSOP

Did you detect any humor in my response? I'm not trying to be funny at all. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

Michael P Butler

Ever read The Wasp Factory by Iain Banks? Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen

realJSOP

KaЯl wrote: xenophobia Hey, I like Xena - she's got great cones... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

David Wulff

I don't find funny-humour with most of what you say, but most of it as at least funny-wierd.

David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

realJSOP

Here's the key - I never once (at least in this thread) criticized Andy for doing this, I just stated what was, to me, the freakin obvious. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

Paul Watson

phykell wrote: That way you will not by "lying" as you call it, and you will cause Anna no offence Ugh but we all know and so does Jason and it is all such a lie anyway. Actually to be honest I don't see anything wrong with Jason holding firm to using what he believes is the right terminology. Much like one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. And Anna will need to learn to grow a thick skin IMO, better from a smart guy like Jason than some inbred jerkoff.

Paul Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: "The Labia [cinema]... ...was opened by Princess Labia in May 1949..." Christian Graus wrote: See, I told you it was a nice name for a girl...

David Wulff

Michael P Butler wrote: Whilst John is being honest and himself, other people are being politically correct Political correctness my arse. I think you've misjuged an awful lot of people here. My generation especially are vastly more tolerant and understanding of these issues than my parents' is, and my grandparents wouldn't even know where to begin. Society has changed a heck of a lot since the seventies in terms of people's perceptions of GLBT people - a lot. We're not there yet, and certainly not in a large proportion of the United States (land of the free yet it is still illegal to have intimate same gender relations in an alarming number of states*). I don't like to say the problem is merely Stateside because it does exist in intollerant communities worldwide, but it is too large a problem over there. Did you know for instance that over half of the homeless people living on Seattle's streets are GLBT? Or that the number one cause of teenager suicide is the fear this intollerance breeds? Religious intolerance also doesn't help, but I'm not getting drawn into that one now because it will offend a lot of people. * Ref: Legal ages of consent, worldwide[^]. Pay special attention to Texas. I for one stand by all of my comments with one hundred percent conviction.

David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

Stan Shannon

Yes, but if you make a religion of being "tolerant" than what have you achieved? You can't be intolerant of intolerance and still be tolerant. You end up with a world just as intolerant as what you started with. Its just that the targets of intolerance have changed. Should people who are intolerant of GLBT be forced by the state to tolerate them? Where is the tolerance in that? Why not just have the state be intolerant of the GLBT's. What is the difference? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

David Wulff

I'm not going to talk about religion here - there are thousands of resources out there that cover all of it in depth. Stan Shannon wrote: What is the difference? A lot. Are you familiar with section 28 that was created by the Thatcher government to stop local governments from supporting GLBT individuals and groups? This was passed by a govenment, and at the time it very much put into words the beliefs of a large porition of this country. It's aim was to stop gays from "recruiting" heterosexuals. Most of the people who believed that was actually possible still do so today. If you educate people properly so they can make their own minds up than that is all that can be asked of them. The reason each generation is getting more and more tollerant (in astounding proportions) is because each generation is faced and educated with these issues more and more. Everybody out there knows at least one GLBT person - even if they don't realise that person is GLBT. Not everyone has the courage, or indeeds wants to, take their true selfs public (whether to their friends and family, or in her case all of her peers and us lot), but even from the limited number of CodeProject members I know more than just the name of I know for a fact we have three gay, one lesbian and one transexual in the top one hundred most active members alone - and you could probably name every one of them if I told you just their message sigs. The state should not have any differing views for GLBTs than heterosexuals - it shouldn't have anything to be intollerant (or more tollerant) towards.

David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

realJSOP

Paul Watson wrote: And Anna will need to learn to grow a thick skin IMO, better from a smart guy like Jason than some inbred jerkoff. I prefer the term "asshole", thank you very much... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends