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Hey UK, How's That Gun-Free Zone Workin' Out For Y'all?

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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    Actually, it usually works out pretty well. This is an unusual (and terrible) incident. Generally speaking the police don't need guns because the vast majority (over 99% probably) of the people neither have access to or want a gun. Even if these poor girls had been carrying it looks like it was a trap and they may still have been killed. I also know that most police in the UK don't want to carry guns since they feel that will encourage criminals to use them, so heightening the risk. Yes, some criminals do and have always carried but most don't. What's stupid is making a stupid remark with little or no knowledge and making it sound like you're crowing over their deaths because it makes your point. Shame on you.

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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    It most certainly does make my point. Gun control laws only disarm the law-abiding. Criminals, by their very nature, don't obey the law, so making laws concerning gun control are pointless.

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      Gun crime is actively reported in the UK because it's so rare. What's stupid is being a complete [word redacted to appease Slacker007] about the loss of a human life. John, your post was stupid, crass, insensitive, completely out of line and trolling.

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      Insensitive my dyin' redneck ass. It's a damn shame that not even the police are equipped to protect themselves. How's that? Rare? Is even ONE life worth having your natural right to self-preservation stripped away? Insensitive? I'm surprised I had to spell it out for you.

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      • D Dalek Dave

        How is that "All Citizens Carry Guns And We Have One Of The Worlds Highest Murder Rates" working out for y'all? I am ex-military and have used weapons, and believe me I would not want our police carrying them. In fact gun crime here is so rare as to be abnormal.

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        Actually, the US doesn't have the highest murder rate.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        • N NormDroid

          John I now officially declare you a 'dick'.

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          I've never claimed otherwise. "Insensitive prick" would have been a bit more accurate though.

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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          • S Slacker007

            I agree with your comments but you are a senior member.

            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

            sometimes you have to descend to someone's level before they can understand that they crossed a line.

            No you don't. You can disagree with John, and put him in his place, but don't call him an asshole. Just saying, Pete. ;)

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            Slacker007 wrote:

            and put him in his place

            Nobody's ever been able to do that. They like to THINK they have, but it actually hasn't happened.

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              There you go. Word changed just for you.

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              Don't be a pussy... Stand behind what you say.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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              • S Slacker007

                John, our cops carry guns and they die as well, in the line of duty. Cops die, with or without guns.

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                Yeah, but there's no point in thinking you're making the playing field level. Bad guys don't play fair.

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                • M Minion no 5

                  Hey US, how is the KKK working out?

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                  WTF does that have to do with topic at hand?

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                  • S Slacker007

                    disagree

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                    That's just social conditioning holding your mind back.

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      It most certainly does make my point. Gun control laws only disarm the law-abiding. Criminals, by their very nature, don't obey the law, so making laws concerning gun control are pointless.

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                      Whatever your point you attempted to deliver it in a crass and insensitive way and instead of fessing up you're just trying bluster your way through it. I say again, shame on you. Mind you, it also shows your total ignorance of how guns are viewed in the UK. No one wants them. No one needs one. The odd criminal will get and use one but that is quite rare. The Police don't want them because, generally, they don't need them.

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        Insensitive my dyin' redneck ass. It's a damn shame that not even the police are equipped to protect themselves. How's that? Rare? Is even ONE life worth having your natural right to self-preservation stripped away? Insensitive? I'm surprised I had to spell it out for you.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                        R Giskard Reventlov
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                        You're an idiot.

                        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          Even the cops don't carry guns - how stupid is that?[^]

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                          Would such a thing even make the news in the US?

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                          • R R Giskard Reventlov

                            Actually, it usually works out pretty well. This is an unusual (and terrible) incident. Generally speaking the police don't need guns because the vast majority (over 99% probably) of the people neither have access to or want a gun. Even if these poor girls had been carrying it looks like it was a trap and they may still have been killed. I also know that most police in the UK don't want to carry guns since they feel that will encourage criminals to use them, so heightening the risk. Yes, some criminals do and have always carried but most don't. What's stupid is making a stupid remark with little or no knowledge and making it sound like you're crowing over their deaths because it makes your point. Shame on you.

                            "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                            My First vote. This is worth a +5

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                            • realJSOPR realJSOP

                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              The citizenry probably shouldn't have bazookas and grenades WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.

                              Fix that for ya. If people would just read the 2nd Amendment, it pretty clearly doesn't put restrictions on what "arms" are, because it implies that they are current battlefield capable. That's the whole point behind "A well regulated militia".

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                              Well, yeah, and it seems to me that the best place to get such training is in the military.

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                Fair enough, and I respect you for your opinion. It's not changing my mind any, but I do respect it.

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                                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                Fair enough

                                Bullshit, you should be able to use profanity to emphasize a point, it is even stronger as you don't generally use it :-O , like some of us! Put the arsehole back, JSOPs post thoroughly deserved it.

                                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                  Don't be a pussy... Stand behind what you say.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                  Mycroft Holmes
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                                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                  Stand behind what you say

                                  I agree with this, he should not have retracted the arsehole epithet, your post deserved it!

                                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                    The citizenry probably shouldn't have bazookas and grenades WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.

                                    Fix that for ya. If people would just read the 2nd Amendment, it pretty clearly doesn't put restrictions on what "arms" are, because it implies that they are current battlefield capable. That's the whole point behind "A well regulated militia".

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    Amendment, it pretty clearly doesn't put restrictions on what "arms" are

                                    True.

                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    because it implies that they are current battlefield capable

                                    Your interpretation.

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                                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                      Even the cops don't carry guns - how stupid is that?[^]

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                      Mark_Wallace
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                                      Damn, but your rep's taking a hammering over this. Undeservedly, IMO, even though I'm on the "disagrees" side of the fence. I don't think you should lose an article-worth's rep over it, so I'll counter a bit.

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                                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                        Actually, the US doesn't have the highest murder rate.

                                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                        Lost User
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                                        No doubt Somalia is worse, but do you really want to compare your country to that?

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                                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                          Even the cops don't carry guns - how stupid is that?[^]

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                          SOome cops do carry guns, and in fact being a relatively gun free society, with the exception of hunting weapons, is working out well since our gun murder rate is very low.

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