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I certainly think if you murder someone, you should pay for it with your own life. I really can't understand your point. Maybe it's because I live in a catholic country and in a country where death penalty has been used in the past against innocent people by the fascist government... If I killed someone killing me don't resurrect the people I killed. But killing me give me no chances to prove my innocence (and you talked about 99% reliability, but I guess that you don't want to be in the remaining 1%, even if I guess you're not black or hispanic...) and didn't let me any chance to repay the community for my crime. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
What I said is what I believe is right and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But you must admit that the governor of Illinois has overstepped his legal authority on this issue. Why do we need a judicial system when the governor is going to ignore its rulings?
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: Is it? Have you faced death? Living is facing Death everyday :) (I know, I shouldn't drive the way I do :rolleyes: )
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KaЯl wrote: Living is facing Death everyday :rolleyes: I must admit, you are right on this one.
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KaЯl wrote: Living is facing Death everyday :rolleyes: I must admit, you are right on this one.
Jason Henderson
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: basically about taking the life of someone who no longer deserves it Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? They should rather fear than somebody decides someday they don't deserve to live! (Note for the anti-abortionnists: I've said a "human being", not a packet of cells). IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption.
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KaЯl wrote: Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. In other words, God let the killer kill. So now God will let the authorities take his life in return. Of course, if you don't believe in God and that only He should decide when someone should die, then it's up to us. That's right, the people will decide what constitutes grounds for execution -- the same way the criminals can decide when/where/who to kill. Where was God? KaЯl wrote: IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption. IMO - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. - If most people really thought throwing a criminal in jail forever was worse than killing him, then the death penalty would probably not exist. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. - Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Regards, Alvaro
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KaЯl wrote: Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. In other words, God let the killer kill. So now God will let the authorities take his life in return. Of course, if you don't believe in God and that only He should decide when someone should die, then it's up to us. That's right, the people will decide what constitutes grounds for execution -- the same way the criminals can decide when/where/who to kill. Where was God? KaЯl wrote: IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption. IMO - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. - If most people really thought throwing a criminal in jail forever was worse than killing him, then the death penalty would probably not exist. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. - Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Regards, Alvaro
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
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What I said is what I believe is right and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But you must admit that the governor of Illinois has overstepped his legal authority on this issue. Why do we need a judicial system when the governor is going to ignore its rulings?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *But you must admit that the governor of Illinois has overstepped his legal authority on this issue. Why do we need a judicial system when the governor is going to ignore its rulings? I don't know the American judicial system in detail but I suppose that the governor has the right to change death penalty into a life sentence if he thinks that death penalty is not appropriated. I think that 4 non guilty people in 150 condemned are a good motivation. It's a matter of conscience and I think that your governor can't accept the idea of other innocents killed for his non-intervention. I'm against death penalty in every case, so I can't put myself in his shoes... but try to put yourself in the same position of your governor. I understand that you've no moral objection against death penalty (like your former governor), but you can decide over a hundred people lifes after you discover that 4 of them were innocent. Doing nothing means that other innocent could get killed. You could retire without doing a single thing for them and still sleep at night? You could accept the idea that 1 people in 1 hundred or in 1 thousand or in 1 million could be killed by mistake? -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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KaЯl wrote: Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. In other words, God let the killer kill. So now God will let the authorities take his life in return. Of course, if you don't believe in God and that only He should decide when someone should die, then it's up to us. That's right, the people will decide what constitutes grounds for execution -- the same way the criminals can decide when/where/who to kill. Where was God? KaЯl wrote: IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption. IMO - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. - If most people really thought throwing a criminal in jail forever was worse than killing him, then the death penalty would probably not exist. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. - Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Regards, Alvaro
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. I think that God is old and powerful enough to carry out his own will by himself... if killing someone didn't result in the killer's immediate death that should mean that God didn't want to take his life as punishment for what he did or that your God is not powerful enough to carry out that or give some certain sign of his will... Many people did (and are still doing) the most atrocious and cruel things in the name of a God that doesn't seem able to speak and act by himself. - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. If you break in my house with a gun I'll stay in my bed and try to call the police (that should defend myself against people coming inside houses with guns) without doing much noise because I've no guns and a good insurance against thiefs (and pay taxes to have good police and to give people means for living without the need to use a gun...). - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. But killing an innocent is a "extremely big" mistake and there's no way to undo it! Or we can ask God if killing all the judges, the policeman and the lawyers involved is a good way to satisfy his will... You can accept the idea that 1 innocent man/woman has been killed by mistake? Never thought about yourself (or one of the people you love) being that one? The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. And some policeman in Chicago spent a lot of time playing with plastic bags and the heads of suspects... I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. But you can't stop other vicius criminals from killing while you can avoid to kill innocents by simply avoiding to apply death penalty. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. Knowing that this is going to happen to you and that you are innocent its far worse. And death penalty doesn't stop people from committing crimes (crime rates are higher in countries with death penalty than in many countries with no death penalty). -Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Removing death