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http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/11/illinois.death.row/index.html[^] This crook just wants good publicity for a change. Too bad he has ruined the IL justice system in the process.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Obviously, none of you get it. Guilty or not, all death row inmate were commuted. If he has evidence that some may be innocent, he should investigate further and pardon them. But no, this guy has to usurp the justice system that tried them and found them guilty and commute them ALL (even the guilty ones)! There is a man on death row that used to live by us when I was a kid. He tortured and brutally killed his elderly parents (he was adopted) and stuffed them in the trunk of his car. He then drove to Indianapolis where he abandoned the car to let their bodies rot. He was guilty, and he does not deserve a commutation, IMO. But this idiot Governor gave him one, and now I have to feed him (through my tax $) for the rest of his miserable life. Justice is not served.
Jason Henderson
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Obviously, none of you get it. Guilty or not, all death row inmate were commuted. If he has evidence that some may be innocent, he should investigate further and pardon them. But no, this guy has to usurp the justice system that tried them and found them guilty and commute them ALL (even the guilty ones)! There is a man on death row that used to live by us when I was a kid. He tortured and brutally killed his elderly parents (he was adopted) and stuffed them in the trunk of his car. He then drove to Indianapolis where he abandoned the car to let their bodies rot. He was guilty, and he does not deserve a commutation, IMO. But this idiot Governor gave him one, and now I have to feed him (through my tax $) for the rest of his miserable life. Justice is not served.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: But this idiot Governor gave him one, and now I have to feed him (through my tax $) for the rest of his miserable life. I tought a man condemned to death penalty costs more than one sentenced to life time. I can search for more info if you want, but I'm quiet sure of it. Jason Henderson wrote: Justice is not served. Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ?
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Jason Henderson wrote: But this idiot Governor gave him one, and now I have to feed him (through my tax $) for the rest of his miserable life. I tought a man condemned to death penalty costs more than one sentenced to life time. I can search for more info if you want, but I'm quiet sure of it. Jason Henderson wrote: Justice is not served. Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ?
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KaЯl wrote: I tought a man condemned to death penalty costs more than one sentenced to life time. Only if he's waiting on death row a long time I'm sure. KaЯl wrote: Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ? I don't want revenge, since it really hasn't effected me personally. I certainly think if you murder someone, you should pay for it with your own life.
Jason Henderson
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KaЯl wrote: I tought a man condemned to death penalty costs more than one sentenced to life time. Only if he's waiting on death row a long time I'm sure. KaЯl wrote: Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ? I don't want revenge, since it really hasn't effected me personally. I certainly think if you murder someone, you should pay for it with your own life.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: if How many innocents are you willing to kill ? If you speak in favour of something, you take partial responmsiblity for it. The tigress is here :-D
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Jason Henderson wrote: But this idiot Governor gave him one, and now I have to feed him (through my tax $) for the rest of his miserable life. I tought a man condemned to death penalty costs more than one sentenced to life time. I can search for more info if you want, but I'm quiet sure of it. Jason Henderson wrote: Justice is not served. Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ?
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KaЯl wrote: Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ? It depends on your point of view. If you're a close family member of someone who the inmate killed, then it's probably about revenge. If you're a sensible person, it's about justice: basically about taking the life of someone who no longer deserves it. If you're me, it's about that plus ensuring the killer never gets a chance to kill again, whether he's behind bars or not. Regards, Alvaro
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KaЯl wrote: Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ? It depends on your point of view. If you're a close family member of someone who the inmate killed, then it's probably about revenge. If you're a sensible person, it's about justice: basically about taking the life of someone who no longer deserves it. If you're me, it's about that plus ensuring the killer never gets a chance to kill again, whether he's behind bars or not. Regards, Alvaro
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
Alvaro Mendez wrote: basically about taking the life of someone who no longer deserves it Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? They should rather fear than somebody decides someday they don't deserve to live! (Note for the anti-abortionnists: I've said a "human being", not a packet of cells). IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption.
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Jason Henderson wrote: if How many innocents are you willing to kill ? If you speak in favour of something, you take partial responmsiblity for it. The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: How many innocents are you willing to kill ? We have a legal system in this country which, to the best of its ability, finds the innocent or the guilty. These men/women get multiple appeals. These men/women have the ability to be pardoned by the executive of the state. If they are innocent, 99% of the time they will be found to be so through the legal system. Our doofus governor decided to commute all sentences regardless of the evidence agaist them. That is a travesty of justice, IMO.
Jason Henderson
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: basically about taking the life of someone who no longer deserves it Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? They should rather fear than somebody decides someday they don't deserve to live! (Note for the anti-abortionnists: I've said a "human being", not a packet of cells). IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption.
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KaЯl wrote: (Note for the anti-abortionnists: I've said a "human being", not a packet of cells). :laugh: Talk about innocents. KaЯl wrote: * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. Is it? Have you faced death?
Jason Henderson
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Trollslayer wrote: How many innocents are you willing to kill ? We have a legal system in this country which, to the best of its ability, finds the innocent or the guilty. These men/women get multiple appeals. These men/women have the ability to be pardoned by the executive of the state. If they are innocent, 99% of the time they will be found to be so through the legal system. Our doofus governor decided to commute all sentences regardless of the evidence agaist them. That is a travesty of justice, IMO.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *If they are innocent, 99% of the time they will be found to be so through the legal system. 99% is a very low percentage if the remaining 1% get killed. Do you want an hard-drive that stores correctly 99% of your data? Or a car that brakes 99% of the times you need it to stop? And you may be able to recover data or to fix a car that hit a wall for not braking in front of it but, unless you walk on the water and multiply food at request, it's difficult to recover and innocent killed. And I think that also culprit of the worst crimes didn't deserve to be killed. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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KaЯl wrote: I tought a man condemned to death penalty costs more than one sentenced to life time. Only if he's waiting on death row a long time I'm sure. KaЯl wrote: Is it about Justice, or about Revenge ? I don't want revenge, since it really hasn't effected me personally. I certainly think if you murder someone, you should pay for it with your own life.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *I certainly think if you murder someone, you should pay for it with your own life. I really can't understand your point. Maybe it's because I live in a catholic country and in a country where death penalty has been used in the past against innocent people by the fascist government... If I killed someone killing me don't resurrect the people I killed. But killing me give me no chances to prove my innocence (and you talked about 99% reliability, but I guess that you don't want to be in the remaining 1%, even if I guess you're not black or hispanic...) and didn't let me any chance to repay the community for my crime. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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KaЯl wrote: (Note for the anti-abortionnists: I've said a "human being", not a packet of cells). :laugh: Talk about innocents. KaЯl wrote: * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. Is it? Have you faced death?
Jason Henderson
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I certainly think if you murder someone, you should pay for it with your own life. I really can't understand your point. Maybe it's because I live in a catholic country and in a country where death penalty has been used in the past against innocent people by the fascist government... If I killed someone killing me don't resurrect the people I killed. But killing me give me no chances to prove my innocence (and you talked about 99% reliability, but I guess that you don't want to be in the remaining 1%, even if I guess you're not black or hispanic...) and didn't let me any chance to repay the community for my crime. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
What I said is what I believe is right and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But you must admit that the governor of Illinois has overstepped his legal authority on this issue. Why do we need a judicial system when the governor is going to ignore its rulings?
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: Is it? Have you faced death? Living is facing Death everyday :) (I know, I shouldn't drive the way I do :rolleyes: )
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KaЯl wrote: Living is facing Death everyday :rolleyes: I must admit, you are right on this one.
Jason Henderson
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KaЯl wrote: Living is facing Death everyday :rolleyes: I must admit, you are right on this one.
Jason Henderson
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: basically about taking the life of someone who no longer deserves it Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? They should rather fear than somebody decides someday they don't deserve to live! (Note for the anti-abortionnists: I've said a "human being", not a packet of cells). IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption.
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KaЯl wrote: Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. In other words, God let the killer kill. So now God will let the authorities take his life in return. Of course, if you don't believe in God and that only He should decide when someone should die, then it's up to us. That's right, the people will decide what constitutes grounds for execution -- the same way the criminals can decide when/where/who to kill. Where was God? KaЯl wrote: IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption. IMO - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. - If most people really thought throwing a criminal in jail forever was worse than killing him, then the death penalty would probably not exist. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. - Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Regards, Alvaro
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
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KaЯl wrote: Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. In other words, God let the killer kill. So now God will let the authorities take his life in return. Of course, if you don't believe in God and that only He should decide when someone should die, then it's up to us. That's right, the people will decide what constitutes grounds for execution -- the same way the criminals can decide when/where/who to kill. Where was God? KaЯl wrote: IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption. IMO - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. - If most people really thought throwing a criminal in jail forever was worse than killing him, then the death penalty would probably not exist. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. - Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Regards, Alvaro
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
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What I said is what I believe is right and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But you must admit that the governor of Illinois has overstepped his legal authority on this issue. Why do we need a judicial system when the governor is going to ignore its rulings?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *But you must admit that the governor of Illinois has overstepped his legal authority on this issue. Why do we need a judicial system when the governor is going to ignore its rulings? I don't know the American judicial system in detail but I suppose that the governor has the right to change death penalty into a life sentence if he thinks that death penalty is not appropriated. I think that 4 non guilty people in 150 condemned are a good motivation. It's a matter of conscience and I think that your governor can't accept the idea of other innocents killed for his non-intervention. I'm against death penalty in every case, so I can't put myself in his shoes... but try to put yourself in the same position of your governor. I understand that you've no moral objection against death penalty (like your former governor), but you can decide over a hundred people lifes after you discover that 4 of them were innocent. Doing nothing means that other innocent could get killed. You could retire without doing a single thing for them and still sleep at night? You could accept the idea that 1 people in 1 hundred or in 1 thousand or in 1 million could be killed by mistake? -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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KaЯl wrote: Who the f*ck are the legists to decide if a human being can live or not? God? Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. In other words, God let the killer kill. So now God will let the authorities take his life in return. Of course, if you don't believe in God and that only He should decide when someone should die, then it's up to us. That's right, the people will decide what constitutes grounds for execution -- the same way the criminals can decide when/where/who to kill. Where was God? KaЯl wrote: IMO * There's no "except..." after "You shall not Kill", i.e. no "except if he/she kills first" * The risk to kill an innocent is always too heavy, even if it's 1 for 100 billions * It's worse to live a life long in jail than an immediate killing. * Death penalty is the negation of the capacity for a human to rehabilitate, the negation of the redemption. IMO - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. - If most people really thought throwing a criminal in jail forever was worse than killing him, then the death penalty would probably not exist. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. - Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Regards, Alvaro
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain
Yes, you can think of them as carrying out God's will. I think that God is old and powerful enough to carry out his own will by himself... if killing someone didn't result in the killer's immediate death that should mean that God didn't want to take his life as punishment for what he did or that your God is not powerful enough to carry out that or give some certain sign of his will... Many people did (and are still doing) the most atrocious and cruel things in the name of a God that doesn't seem able to speak and act by himself. - There's always an exception. If I break into your house at night with a gun, it's OK for you to defend yourself, even if it means killing me with your own gun. If you break in my house with a gun I'll stay in my bed and try to call the police (that should defend myself against people coming inside houses with guns) without doing much noise because I've no guns and a good insurance against thiefs (and pay taxes to have good police and to give people means for living without the need to use a gun...). - The risk of killing an innocent is extremely minimal. But killing an innocent is a "extremely big" mistake and there's no way to undo it! Or we can ask God if killing all the judges, the policeman and the lawyers involved is a good way to satisfy his will... You can accept the idea that 1 innocent man/woman has been killed by mistake? Never thought about yourself (or one of the people you love) being that one? The courts spend a lot of time making sure the condemned are truly guilty. And some policeman in Chicago spent a lot of time playing with plastic bags and the heads of suspects... I'd bet the risk of a vicious criminal killing again (because he wasn't executed) is probably higher than the risk of putting away an innocent victim. But you can't stop other vicius criminals from killing while you can avoid to kill innocents by simply avoiding to apply death penalty. There's gotta be nothing worse than to know that your life is going to end and that you haven't got a clue how it's going to feel and what comes after you die. Knowing that this is going to happen to you and that you are innocent its far worse. And death penalty doesn't stop people from committing crimes (crime rates are higher in countries with death penalty than in many countries with no death penalty). -Death penalty is the acceptance that a human being does not deserve to live, much less be rehabilitated or forgiven. Removing death