Mugabe to go?
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(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaWe live in hope - the suspicion now is that the 2 cronies who offered Mugabe's resignation might actually just be viing for the position themselves :suss:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaI have only a few info on Zibabwe, our media concentrate generally on the french former colonies. I remember having heard the seizing of the farms owned by the white popluation. The way the Zim. government did that was far to be fair, however I understand these latifundia were a problem. Often in History has a State to redistribute the land, it's like a step on the road of evolution. Paul Watson wrote: the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe If I can understand this for the reason you explain, there's a thing in the article I believe is shocking "Let's forget the past and move forward" Sorry, a country can't live without its past. Having no trial doesn't mean to forget, Justice and History are two different dimensions of the problem. About this, how do you judge the "thruth and reconciliation" policy?
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
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I have only a few info on Zibabwe, our media concentrate generally on the french former colonies. I remember having heard the seizing of the farms owned by the white popluation. The way the Zim. government did that was far to be fair, however I understand these latifundia were a problem. Often in History has a State to redistribute the land, it's like a step on the road of evolution. Paul Watson wrote: the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe If I can understand this for the reason you explain, there's a thing in the article I believe is shocking "Let's forget the past and move forward" Sorry, a country can't live without its past. Having no trial doesn't mean to forget, Justice and History are two different dimensions of the problem. About this, how do you judge the "thruth and reconciliation" policy?
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
KaЯl wrote: Sorry, a country can't live without its past. Having no trial doesn't mean to forget, Justice and History are two different dimensions of the problem. Indeed and I can guarantee that nobody is going to forget Mugabe. No matter where he goes he will be remebered and reviled. Actually exiling him is going to be a good thing because he will find himself in a foreign country without his cronies and will be shocked at his lack of power and respect. I will not be surprised if he dies a swift (but natural) death once he has left Zim, his mind is only propped up by his cronies in Zim at the moment. KaЯl wrote: About this, how do you judge the "thruth and reconciliation" policy? For the common man in SA I don't think it has made any difference. It has only helped the political wheeler deelers. KaЯl wrote: have only a few info on Zibabwe I lived there for 5 years and I love that country. So my concern is just.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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We live in hope - the suspicion now is that the 2 cronies who offered Mugabe's resignation might actually just be viing for the position themselves :suss:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Megan Forbes wrote: suspicion now is that the 2 cronies who offered Mugabe's resignation might actually just be viing for the position themselves :| I hope not.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaI'm so sick of hearing... I'm just kidding. :) Unfortunately, I know very very little about the situation in Zimbabwe, but it looks like at least some kind of movement in the positive direction is being attempted. That's a good thing. I hope the situation will keep improving. Off topic: I've visited your photo gallery. Very nice images you've got there. I like "Sun Ray Boat" a lot. I myself have jumped back into photography a couple of months ago after about 15 year break. I am enjoying it very much even though I don't have much time lately to experiment with it. If you get bored you can take a look at some of my photos here: click[^]
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KaЯl wrote: Sorry, a country can't live without its past. Having no trial doesn't mean to forget, Justice and History are two different dimensions of the problem. Indeed and I can guarantee that nobody is going to forget Mugabe. No matter where he goes he will be remebered and reviled. Actually exiling him is going to be a good thing because he will find himself in a foreign country without his cronies and will be shocked at his lack of power and respect. I will not be surprised if he dies a swift (but natural) death once he has left Zim, his mind is only propped up by his cronies in Zim at the moment. KaЯl wrote: About this, how do you judge the "thruth and reconciliation" policy? For the common man in SA I don't think it has made any difference. It has only helped the political wheeler deelers. KaЯl wrote: have only a few info on Zibabwe I lived there for 5 years and I love that country. So my concern is just.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: I will not be surprised if he dies a swift (but natural) death once he has left Zim Generally, this kind of assholes[^] die in his bed, without responding of his action in front of men justice. They often have too good protections[^]
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
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I'm so sick of hearing... I'm just kidding. :) Unfortunately, I know very very little about the situation in Zimbabwe, but it looks like at least some kind of movement in the positive direction is being attempted. That's a good thing. I hope the situation will keep improving. Off topic: I've visited your photo gallery. Very nice images you've got there. I like "Sun Ray Boat" a lot. I myself have jumped back into photography a couple of months ago after about 15 year break. I am enjoying it very much even though I don't have much time lately to experiment with it. If you get bored you can take a look at some of my photos here: click[^]
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: If you get bored you can take a look at some of my photos here: click[^] :-D another CPian on photoSIG.com, great stuff! Really like the Self Portrait shot in the cat's eye. I am on photoSIG too, not many points yet though :) Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I myself have jumped back into photography a couple of months ago after about 15 year break. I am enjoying it very much even though I don't have much time lately to experiment with it. Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I keep bugging ChrisM (he knows photography too... just what doesn't he know about I have no idea!) and may just start bugging you :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: If you get bored you can take a look at some of my photos here: click[^] :-D another CPian on photoSIG.com, great stuff! Really like the Self Portrait shot in the cat's eye. I am on photoSIG too, not many points yet though :) Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I myself have jumped back into photography a couple of months ago after about 15 year break. I am enjoying it very much even though I don't have much time lately to experiment with it. Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I keep bugging ChrisM (he knows photography too... just what doesn't he know about I have no idea!) and may just start bugging you :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: I am on photoSIG too Cool! :-D Paul Watson wrote: Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I consider myself new to photography as well. Not only 15 years is a long enough period to forget most of the details, but I have also made a jump from B&W to color and from film to digital. Needless to say I was kind of lost for a while there. But I think that I am getting a hold of the situation pretty quickly, so I hope to be up to speed on my photography skills soon. After all, it is not the equipment or format that maters but your ability to see things in unique way. I don't know if I have it but I am enjoying the process of figuring it out. Paul Watson wrote: may just start bugging you I am not sure how much of a help I can be, but feel free to ask questions any time.
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(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africagood to hear, but I share Meg's suspicions. God luck for the next elections. Paul Watson wrote: that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. But it's always the US' fault, sin't it? :cool:
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(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaIt's about time. Let's hope things actually improve over there. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: If you get bored you can take a look at some of my photos here: click[^] :-D another CPian on photoSIG.com, great stuff! Really like the Self Portrait shot in the cat's eye. I am on photoSIG too, not many points yet though :) Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I myself have jumped back into photography a couple of months ago after about 15 year break. I am enjoying it very much even though I don't have much time lately to experiment with it. Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I keep bugging ChrisM (he knows photography too... just what doesn't he know about I have no idea!) and may just start bugging you :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaI think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there. Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice :) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there. Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice :) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there Does not take courage (well, ok, it does take some but not too much if you do the following.) All it takes is a wanting to learn. As the about page says photosig.com is not a photo host. It is not there so you can upload 1000s of photos and have them archived. It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. benjymous wrote: Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com and prove we programmers can be creative :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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benjymous wrote: I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there Does not take courage (well, ok, it does take some but not too much if you do the following.) All it takes is a wanting to learn. As the about page says photosig.com is not a photo host. It is not there so you can upload 1000s of photos and have them archived. It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. benjymous wrote: Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com and prove we programmers can be creative :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. Yeah, and that's where the courage comes in ;) Paul Watson wrote: I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. Yeah - doing panoramas is something I've always liked. My grandfather always used to do it manually (i.e. just take lots of photos that you'd have to spread out on a table to see the full view) - he'd have loved playing with the stitching software. Sadly whenever I look at them I can always see the joins - I guess I need to perfect my technique so I can take the set of photos as quickly as possible, to prevent things like light levels changing majorly, and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Paul Watson wrote: It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. Yeah, and that's where the courage comes in ;) Paul Watson wrote: I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. Yeah - doing panoramas is something I've always liked. My grandfather always used to do it manually (i.e. just take lots of photos that you'd have to spread out on a table to see the full view) - he'd have loved playing with the stitching software. Sadly whenever I look at them I can always see the joins - I guess I need to perfect my technique so I can take the set of photos as quickly as possible, to prevent things like light levels changing majorly, and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level Holy crap you did not use a tripod? Wow, more kudos to you then. Hard enough taking panoramics with a tripod, never mind without :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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benjymous wrote: and I must remember to take a tripod with me next time I think there may be a panorama opportunity, since they work much better if the camera is kept exactly in the same position and level Holy crap you did not use a tripod? Wow, more kudos to you then. Hard enough taking panoramics with a tripod, never mind without :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNope - just held by hand. My camera (Digital Ixus V) has a "stitch assist" mode which is damn handy though (it displays a portion of the previous image so you can get the overlap lined up nicely, but you still have to manually make sure you keep the horizon at the same position through all the pics, else the stitching software has to crop a lot of the image off the top and bottom, which is always a shame :( -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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(If you are not interested in Zimbabwe then don't read on and don't reply with a "So sick of hearing about Zimbabwe" please, thanks) Mugabe to be forced to resign[^] if the new deal goes through. Basically the most important bit is that now even ZanuPF members are realising, and admitting, that Bob is the problem with Zimbabwe, not Blair or the US or whites, but Bob himself. Wonderful! At first I though the proposal seemed pie in the sky but then I saw that two important men (Parliament speaker Emmerson Mnangagwa and armed forces commander Gen. Vitalis Zvinavashe) are the leaders of this new deal. Having the armed forces on the deals side is a Good ThingTM. I still do not think Mugabe will go easily though. Also the deal calls for no charges whatsoever being placed on Mugabe which is a bit hard too swallow but IMO better than rejecting the deal on those grounds and having Bob make matters worse. Also apparently the UK is talking with Malaysia (why Malaysia?) to give Bob and his family safe haven there, bit odd but anyway. Hope he goes far away and bothers people who chop your head off if they don't like you. The current Zim government will be replaced by a transitional joint-ruling government until new elections can be held. I hope this goes through and I hope the people of Zim do not just then go and vote the other terrifying ZanuPF leaders back into power. That Hitler guy is far scarier than Bob ever was.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaIt is to be hoped, too, that he'll leave quietly, rather than emulating someone like Idi Amin. I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.
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KaЯl wrote: Sorry, a country can't live without its past. Having no trial doesn't mean to forget, Justice and History are two different dimensions of the problem. Indeed and I can guarantee that nobody is going to forget Mugabe. No matter where he goes he will be remebered and reviled. Actually exiling him is going to be a good thing because he will find himself in a foreign country without his cronies and will be shocked at his lack of power and respect. I will not be surprised if he dies a swift (but natural) death once he has left Zim, his mind is only propped up by his cronies in Zim at the moment. KaЯl wrote: About this, how do you judge the "thruth and reconciliation" policy? For the common man in SA I don't think it has made any difference. It has only helped the political wheeler deelers. KaЯl wrote: have only a few info on Zibabwe I lived there for 5 years and I love that country. So my concern is just.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Actually exiling him is going to be a good thing because he will find himself in a foreign country without his cronies and will be shocked at his lack of power and respect. We could offer him Iraq if he promises to leave quietly... I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.
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Paul Watson wrote: I am on photoSIG too Cool! :-D Paul Watson wrote: Well I am brand new to photography and am having a whale of a time figuring everything out. I consider myself new to photography as well. Not only 15 years is a long enough period to forget most of the details, but I have also made a jump from B&W to color and from film to digital. Needless to say I was kind of lost for a while there. But I think that I am getting a hold of the situation pretty quickly, so I hope to be up to speed on my photography skills soon. After all, it is not the equipment or format that maters but your ability to see things in unique way. I don't know if I have it but I am enjoying the process of figuring it out. Paul Watson wrote: may just start bugging you I am not sure how much of a help I can be, but feel free to ask questions any time.
Wow! You started on B&W too? I got started with a Brownie box camera, and developed the films sitting on the floor in my bedroom closet. I'd bet that drove my Mom nuts, but she never complained. I started a photo club in High School, and got them to build us a darkroom with real equipment, then went on to form a club at UC Irvine. There we got a whole building (a very tiny one at the edge of the athletic fields) from the school, and I learned that businesses could be counted on to donate very nice equipment to students for a good cause! We've sure come a long way... I can't wait to get a decent digital camera one day!:-D I've gone to find myself. If I should get back before I return, please keep me here.
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benjymous wrote: I think I'll find the courage and put up some pictures on there Does not take courage (well, ok, it does take some but not too much if you do the following.) All it takes is a wanting to learn. As the about page says photosig.com is not a photo host. It is not there so you can upload 1000s of photos and have them archived. It is there so you can upload a photo you want constructive feedback. benjymous wrote: Most of the photos[^] I take tend to just be snaps of friends and family more than anything artistic, but there are a few (especially amongst the Paris ones) that are quite nice I always liked that panoramic shot of yours of Paris, very cool. We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com and prove we programmers can be creative :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: We can stage a CPian onslaught onto photosig.com Interesting site that. Might go and upload a few of mine later in the week; I like 'em but I've no idea what other people would think. Paul Pleasently caving in, I come undone - Queens of the Stone Age, No One Knows