Microsoft the New Era of Work
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My thought exactly... :laugh:
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That is the city where all cars are made. Does this mean people do not like cars anymore?
TOMZ_KV
Really? What portion of cars in the world are made in Detroit? 0.001%? (Total content)
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I attended Microsoft "the New Era of Work" event in Detroit last week, which was the official release for Windows 8 and Visual Studio 2012. The sessions in developer track were great. But the attendance was very low, no comparison to the excitement when Visual Studio 2010 was launched two years ago. what has happened to the developers?
TOMZ_KV
I had an invite to our local event, but chose not to go since I have no intention of using Visual Studio 2012 and because the VS 2010 event sucked. I just installed VS 2012 for one project from another team that I periodically need to compile for debugging purposes and found it just as ghastly as before. (The Vista, VS 2005, 2008 and 2010 events I went to were packed. The VS 2005 event was one of the best developer conference-type things I've attended. The VS 2008 was average, though I recall it had separate sessions for C++, C#, SQL and Web developers. The VS 2010 event was horrible--the presenter was actually good, but his presentation awful, irrelevant and very unstructured. He talked mostly about LINQ and how smart and clever the Visual Studio engineers were, but even then his examples were weird and he kept skipping so many steps, he lost just about everyone. Most the people left after lunch. I tried staying the afternoon, but got way too annoyed and bored and left as well.)
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I attended Microsoft "the New Era of Work" event in Detroit last week, which was the official release for Windows 8 and Visual Studio 2012. The sessions in developer track were great. But the attendance was very low, no comparison to the excitement when Visual Studio 2010 was launched two years ago. what has happened to the developers?
TOMZ_KV
Tomz_KV wrote:
in Detroit
Tomz_KV wrote:
Windows 8
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Tomz_KV wrote:
the attendance was very low
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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I had an invite to our local event, but chose not to go since I have no intention of using Visual Studio 2012 and because the VS 2010 event sucked. I just installed VS 2012 for one project from another team that I periodically need to compile for debugging purposes and found it just as ghastly as before. (The Vista, VS 2005, 2008 and 2010 events I went to were packed. The VS 2005 event was one of the best developer conference-type things I've attended. The VS 2008 was average, though I recall it had separate sessions for C++, C#, SQL and Web developers. The VS 2010 event was horrible--the presenter was actually good, but his presentation awful, irrelevant and very unstructured. He talked mostly about LINQ and how smart and clever the Visual Studio engineers were, but even then his examples were weird and he kept skipping so many steps, he lost just about everyone. Most the people left after lunch. I tried staying the afternoon, but got way too annoyed and bored and left as well.)
The Visual Studio 2012 deos have a number of improvements over 2010. One feature is that, as claimed by the presenter, a project created by one can be opened in another without any issues. The interface of VS 2012 does not appear impressive, as already being discussed by many on internet. It seems that Microsoft has gone color blind. The presenter did state a reason behind it, something like making errors or alerts more visible in certain way.
TOMZ_KV
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The Visual Studio 2012 deos have a number of improvements over 2010. One feature is that, as claimed by the presenter, a project created by one can be opened in another without any issues. The interface of VS 2012 does not appear impressive, as already being discussed by many on internet. It seems that Microsoft has gone color blind. The presenter did state a reason behind it, something like making errors or alerts more visible in certain way.
TOMZ_KV
Tomz_KV wrote:
a project created by one can be opened in another without any issues.
Which I've needed to do... never. I do like some of the C++ compiler/linker changes, though mostly the improvements in optimization since I'm not a fan of C++11, but a better solution was to have never tied the C++ compiler (and CRT/STL/WTL/MFC) to a specific version of Visual Studio. I would still prefer an updated version of VC++ 6.0 with tabs, improved project management (with a few exceptions, one of the truly better things in VS 20xx) and the new compiler and tool chain.
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Tomz_KV wrote:
which was the official release for Windows 8 and Visual Studio 2012
It really wasn't. That might be one of the reasons why attendance was low.
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Tomz_KV wrote:
in Detroit
Tomz_KV wrote:
Windows 8
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Tomz_KV wrote:
the attendance was very low
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Tomz_KV wrote:
a project created by one can be opened in another without any issues.
Which I've needed to do... never. I do like some of the C++ compiler/linker changes, though mostly the improvements in optimization since I'm not a fan of C++11, but a better solution was to have never tied the C++ compiler (and CRT/STL/WTL/MFC) to a specific version of Visual Studio. I would still prefer an updated version of VC++ 6.0 with tabs, improved project management (with a few exceptions, one of the truly better things in VS 20xx) and the new compiler and tool chain.
I have needed to do so often enough.
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I have needed to do so often enough.
Why would you organize your projects such that you would have to?
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Why would you organize your projects such that you would have to?
Not between my projects thmselves, but between my projects and clients' projects or any other caes where the other has only 2010 and I only have 2012
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I attended Microsoft "the New Era of Work" event in Detroit last week, which was the official release for Windows 8 and Visual Studio 2012. The sessions in developer track were great. But the attendance was very low, no comparison to the excitement when Visual Studio 2010 was launched two years ago. what has happened to the developers?
TOMZ_KV
Lack of publicity? I never attended a VS event before although I did go to the W7 one (which was packed); but despite several searches in the time leading up to W8 and never got any results except for virtual activities. I'd concluded they just decided not to do anything physical this time. The local one is 10 days from now; so I theoretically could go. What sort of swag did you get? At the W7 event they gave out copies of W7 ultimate; would I get a free W8 license in turn for my half/day spent not working? Edit: Actually considering that the useful sessions are spread out over most of a day and W8 is much cheaper than W7; I'd really much prefer a VS2012 license over a copy of W8.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Lack of publicity? I never attended a VS event before although I did go to the W7 one (which was packed); but despite several searches in the time leading up to W8 and never got any results except for virtual activities. I'd concluded they just decided not to do anything physical this time. The local one is 10 days from now; so I theoretically could go. What sort of swag did you get? At the W7 event they gave out copies of W7 ultimate; would I get a free W8 license in turn for my half/day spent not working? Edit: Actually considering that the useful sessions are spread out over most of a day and W8 is much cheaper than W7; I'd really much prefer a VS2012 license over a copy of W8.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
For the developer track, every one got a book - Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2012 and a USB drive that contains all the presentation materials. These were actually annunced during keynote but not at the registration desk. There was a evaluation instruction sheet which stated that a free copy of Win8 Pro is avalaible for everyone who completes evaluation, either online or kiosk on site. I assume that attendees will receive a CD or a download link. But so far nothing yet. By the way, the developer sessions mostly talked about VS 2012, not so much about Win 8. There is a trial version on the USB.
TOMZ_KV
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For the developer track, every one got a book - Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2012 and a USB drive that contains all the presentation materials. These were actually annunced during keynote but not at the registration desk. There was a evaluation instruction sheet which stated that a free copy of Win8 Pro is avalaible for everyone who completes evaluation, either online or kiosk on site. I assume that attendees will receive a CD or a download link. But so far nothing yet. By the way, the developer sessions mostly talked about VS 2012, not so much about Win 8. There is a trial version on the USB.
TOMZ_KV
Meh. I've got msdn at work, so I can trial it all I want for work related stuff or projects I don't care about (can't use it for anything interesting on my own time because using my employers software means they own the results). A full copy for puttering around with at home would've been nice.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Meh. I've got msdn at work, so I can trial it all I want for work related stuff or projects I don't care about (can't use it for anything interesting on my own time because using my employers software means they own the results). A full copy for puttering around with at home would've been nice.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Honestly the list of talks looks heavily biased towards fondleslabs which I'm not particularly interested in. Back compatibility means I doubt I'll be doing any metro apps in the next year or two unless WP8 or WinRT take off big time; and even if I do they'll be things pushed out via corporate servers of some sort not the MS store.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt