Javascript is CRAP

Lost User

No need to say more. I have not laughed so hard since the days of C64 BASIC when I read the performance tips in some tutorial. Looks like they have to reinvent the same sort of dung every 20 years or so.

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Colin Eberhardt

Just a quick point of order, jQuery does not make JavaScript any more or less crap. jQuery exists because the DOM API is crap. People conflate the JavaScript language and the browser APIs all to often.

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Jorgen Andersson

I'm seeing JQuery JBloat as the main reason many homepages has become so utterly slow in the last years

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AlphaDeltaTheta

Ya... CDNs are jamming

BillWoodruff

But ... but ... Scott Hanselman says: "JavaScript is Web Assembly Language and that's OK." [^] I think it's something we're stuck with, in the absence of something better. And, I think until John Resig invented jQuery, ECMAScript (aka "JavaScript") was a sluggard little weakly-typed mutant that should have been strangled in its sleep, but, Microsoft and Apple couldn't decide on which company should be the murderer. Now, with jQuery, JavaScript is now just another quagmire full of dinosaur bones. I do like what Anders has done with TypeScript, though. yours, Bill

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Joezer BH

It may be so, but it's probably the most popular programming language in the world :^) (what does it mean about the other programming language, and as a result about us :sigh: )

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M dHatter

scripting ;P

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Joezer BH

sCRAPting ;)

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M dHatter

did you mean MSHTML? lmao :-D

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Mycroft Holmes

But but... I thought you were working in Silverlight, I have not touched any of the scripting languages since we moved to SL! For what I do - straight LOB work, nothing fancy, it is an excellent solution. I am not looking forward to having to move to another platform in the future. Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

dusty_dex

Javascript isn't so bad when it's isolated from web browsers & the DOM. The web browser situation is always going to be in flux until all interested parties can agree. (that's as unlikely as ever) Then implement 100% to a minimum HTML version that ought to be stated clearly in the About dialog. Maybe if there had been certification involved (around 18 yrs ago) there would have been more effort to adhere to standards, but that's all academic now that browsers have no cost to end users. So there's no basis for complaint or a incentive to improve. Which now, only comes from a perception of losing market share that has more to do with losing advertising revenue, and nothing to do with improving software/standards for the 'greater good'.

realJSOP

Edo Tzumer wrote:

it's probably the most popular programming language in the world

No, "popular" means people like it. I seriously doubt that's the case. It certainly isn't like at all in my house. I use it only because it's the only option.

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realJSOP

Mycroft Holmes wrote:

But but... I thought you were working in Silverlight

That was three years ago, and what I'm working on right now MUST be HTML5/javascript because there aren't any guarantees that the pages it will used in will be based on MS technologies (although I'd honestly like to make that aspect a requirement). The simple fact of the matter is that it has to run on mobile devices as well, so I'm backed into a corner.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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realJSOP

Please. jQuery is just javascript that makes it easier/safer to get to DOM objects. Further, it really messes with scoping.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

Mycroft Holmes

Ah we have one of our guys using the Kendo framework from Telerik, but yeah a lot of scripting involved. Luckily I can duck on the mobile crap as there is very little of it and WAY too much LOB work for me to do! Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

Joezer BH

Nope, you'd be surprised on the percentage of the popular things that people really don't like... I'd say they confidently outnumber those that people like, as is the case with our (much disliked and widely popular) programming language here. A good example would be the small puffed-up "Elite" group of buggers in CP who think themselves quite highly while much disliked by most users, yet they are quite popular in this bizarre electronic world ;)

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prelate

http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground/[^]

Don Miguel

... and is all that can be said about it!

Moykn

Now makes sense why people on my work look at me like some kind of Voodoo maker.

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Killzone DeathMan

Agree