Hangman...
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The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently. Legalise the whole damn lot. Tax it, regulate the purity and get rid of the moneymaking bandits in the middle. The government as a whole would save a fortune on (clearly ineffective) enforcement and rake it in in tax revenues. And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently.
I don't care how much of any kind of drug I know or don't know of you offer me for free, I'm not taking it. So because someone offered it to you for free and you took it and are now hooked, you can't really blame that person 100%.
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He was sentenced to death by hanging, he was hanged until pronounced dead so the sentence was carried out in full. It isn't his fault that he wasn't dead enough. It's like sending someone back to prison for another ten years cos they looked too cheerful after completing their initial ten year sentence. Or not like that at all.
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ChrisElston wrote:
He was sentenced to death by hanging, he was hanged until pronounced dead so the sentence was carried out in full.
Even if you don't go by the wording "until pronounced dead": They officially declared him dead, didn't they? I mean they signed his death certificate etc. If they would treat this like the US do, he should now officially be dead and thus having received his punishment defined by the sentence... ;)
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You could even use some transport aircraft to bring a lot more. Why should they need seats? ;) But, how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day? quite a rare occasion I'd think (or at least hope so...). Regular lines? I guess not that many companies would be interested in such bad promotion when the majority of people are against death sentence.
Nicholas Marty wrote:
Why should they need seats
Well, I mean, a bit of humanity would not harm. We are not monsters, are we ?
Nicholas Marty wrote:
how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day?
Some countries do.[^], but not a lot[^]. Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.
Nicholas Marty wrote:
not that many companies would be interested
Nobody would notice the door opening for a few minutes in the back.
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Disclaimer: This should be no discussion about death sentence. However as threads about those do tend to turn into that direction I post in the soap box. Well, I'd imagine getting hanged to be quite... uhm... unpleasant... I present you now: One who survived hanging with a rope around his neck for 12 minutes, is currently recovering and as soon as he is healthy enough, should hang AGAIN! :omg: CNN News[^]
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Nicholas Marty wrote:
Why should they need seats
Well, I mean, a bit of humanity would not harm. We are not monsters, are we ?
Nicholas Marty wrote:
how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day?
Some countries do.[^], but not a lot[^]. Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.
Nicholas Marty wrote:
not that many companies would be interested
Nobody would notice the door opening for a few minutes in the back.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently.
I don't care how much of any kind of drug I know or don't know of you offer me for free, I'm not taking it. So because someone offered it to you for free and you took it and are now hooked, you can't really blame that person 100%.
When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%. You and I may not be their chosen targets - because you are not at a stage in life when any relief, any joy, is something to be grasped - but it doesn't take much to start people on that slippery slope. And you don't always realize that the slope even exists until it is already pretty much vertical...
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Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.
Death by helicopter? Ow, that could get messy. :)
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently.
I don't care how much of any kind of drug I know or don't know of you offer me for free, I'm not taking it. So because someone offered it to you for free and you took it and are now hooked, you can't really blame that person 100%.
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It did not even need to take off : you need a 8m high building nearby, or a trampoline.
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trampoline.
:laugh: So, they throw him off a building, onto a trampoline, and into the helicopter blades. Only they miscalculate the angle so it takes off an arm and the guy lives. So now, they have to bandage him up, heal him, and then try again. We're back to the OP on this one. :)
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OriginalGriff wrote:
And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.
And a whole bunch of useless creatures who would be a burden on society and living off tax payers' money.
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When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%. You and I may not be their chosen targets - because you are not at a stage in life when any relief, any joy, is something to be grasped - but it doesn't take much to start people on that slippery slope. And you don't always realize that the slope even exists until it is already pretty much vertical...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
OriginalGriff wrote:
When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%.
I am guessing that you have no idea how marketing and sales of all products work. For example no one needs bacon. People sell it only to make money. They want people to buy it knowing and hoping that they will like it so much they will keep buying it. They provide promotions and gimmicks to increase market share. And at least in the US there are even individuals paid to encourage various government entities to favor it over alternatives.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%.
I am guessing that you have no idea how marketing and sales of all products work. For example no one needs bacon. People sell it only to make money. They want people to buy it knowing and hoping that they will like it so much they will keep buying it. They provide promotions and gimmicks to increase market share. And at least in the US there are even individuals paid to encourage various government entities to favor it over alternatives.
Now there's an idea I can get behind - hand all marketeers, especially baconeers, hang I say.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%.
I am guessing that you have no idea how marketing and sales of all products work. For example no one needs bacon. People sell it only to make money. They want people to buy it knowing and hoping that they will like it so much they will keep buying it. They provide promotions and gimmicks to increase market share. And at least in the US there are even individuals paid to encourage various government entities to favor it over alternatives.
jschell wrote:
no one needs bacon.
Burn the heretic! :laugh:
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Disclaimer: This should be no discussion about death sentence. However as threads about those do tend to turn into that direction I post in the soap box. Well, I'd imagine getting hanged to be quite... uhm... unpleasant... I present you now: One who survived hanging with a rope around his neck for 12 minutes, is currently recovering and as soon as he is healthy enough, should hang AGAIN! :omg: CNN News[^]
I understand death penalty for drug traffickers, and I think that's fine. But this man was hung, was declared dead by a qualified doctor, and then when his family pronounced him alive, they want to hang him again? And since he was declared dead officially, and certified of that, what right has the government to go after him again? The doctor was negligent, and failed to do his duty properly. How do we know how many people declared dead by this hospitals where he worked were buried? And how many of those "dead" people were really dead? I presume there will be absolutely no punishment for, or questioning of the doctor who declared this man dead. I guess in countries like that, it's not about the technicality of the issue. Nobody can question them, or if they did, they'll possibly be stoned to death. Another shithole country just like its allies.
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Disclaimer: This should be no discussion about death sentence. However as threads about those do tend to turn into that direction I post in the soap box. Well, I'd imagine getting hanged to be quite... uhm... unpleasant... I present you now: One who survived hanging with a rope around his neck for 12 minutes, is currently recovering and as soon as he is healthy enough, should hang AGAIN! :omg: CNN News[^]
"A legal expert cited in the article said a law that mandates the death sentence for anyone possessing more than 30 grams of any illegal drug was passed three years ago." So possession of 29,9 full grams of liquid LSD is just frowned upon? (minimal threshold for LSD is about µg20 -> 30 grams is over 1.000.000 doses)
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I don't exactly now about the costs. But I'd guess a bit of rope is still cheaper than a flight with an airplane. The costs for all those lawyers and judges still remain the same. (And I'd guess they make up most of those costs) Or how much does that poison the US uses cost? :)
It (the 3rd and lethal chemical) used to be just KCl - Potassium Chloride. You can buy 100gms of it at the supermarket for a few dollars as a sodium free salt-substitute. It's likely the cheapest part of the process, to be honest. The LD50 when delivered intravenously is 0.142 g/kg. I don't know what the curve looks like, though if we guess that 2x the LD50 is a guaranteed death, it's still only 0.284 g/kg. With a weight of 85kgs that would be something in the ball-park of 25gms - something I could buy at the local supermarket for a little over a dollar! Sodium thiopental (the first and anaesthetic chem) on the other hand, costs about $60/gm, with a dosage of about 5gms. Its no longer used however - the single US manufacturer ceased production as a direct result of its use for executions. I've watched dozens of executions, though the thought of having something to do with their commission leaves me feeling ill for hours. I'm still not sure what constitutes the larger part of the motivation - punishment of the individual, a deterrent for other would-be crims or as a means of satiating society's apparent need for retribution. I guess it depends on the culture and the era. The idea of slave-labour certainly makes more sense to me, personally. A truly fascinating aspect of the human psyche, even if it can be a sickening topic of study. I blame years of working with cyanide on a daily basis for piquing my interest.
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It (the 3rd and lethal chemical) used to be just KCl - Potassium Chloride. You can buy 100gms of it at the supermarket for a few dollars as a sodium free salt-substitute. It's likely the cheapest part of the process, to be honest. The LD50 when delivered intravenously is 0.142 g/kg. I don't know what the curve looks like, though if we guess that 2x the LD50 is a guaranteed death, it's still only 0.284 g/kg. With a weight of 85kgs that would be something in the ball-park of 25gms - something I could buy at the local supermarket for a little over a dollar! Sodium thiopental (the first and anaesthetic chem) on the other hand, costs about $60/gm, with a dosage of about 5gms. Its no longer used however - the single US manufacturer ceased production as a direct result of its use for executions. I've watched dozens of executions, though the thought of having something to do with their commission leaves me feeling ill for hours. I'm still not sure what constitutes the larger part of the motivation - punishment of the individual, a deterrent for other would-be crims or as a means of satiating society's apparent need for retribution. I guess it depends on the culture and the era. The idea of slave-labour certainly makes more sense to me, personally. A truly fascinating aspect of the human psyche, even if it can be a sickening topic of study. I blame years of working with cyanide on a daily basis for piquing my interest.
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin
You left one possible "motivation" out: to prevent the criminal for doing such a crime again. From the reasonable side this should be one of the more important motivations. Yet I think retribution might be a stronger one, at least for the supports of death sentence. (Albeit they might pretend that other reasons are more important to them) That with the production stop I've heard. But I'm sure they are quick enough to find a replacement. X| There is a organization here that offers accompanied suicide, also with some poison cocktail, (mostly for elderly people that want to die with some dignity, before they end up locked in some prison retirement home.) They are a bit controversial and are often getting a hard time from people and the local governments. (Most see that they have some use and the idea itself isn't THAT bad, but nobody wants them nearby :~)
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You left one possible "motivation" out: to prevent the criminal for doing such a crime again. From the reasonable side this should be one of the more important motivations. Yet I think retribution might be a stronger one, at least for the supports of death sentence. (Albeit they might pretend that other reasons are more important to them) That with the production stop I've heard. But I'm sure they are quick enough to find a replacement. X| There is a organization here that offers accompanied suicide, also with some poison cocktail, (mostly for elderly people that want to die with some dignity, before they end up locked in some prison retirement home.) They are a bit controversial and are often getting a hard time from people and the local governments. (Most see that they have some use and the idea itself isn't THAT bad, but nobody wants them nearby :~)
Good point - never thought to mention prevention as a motivation. Since I suspect jail effectively removes that ability (to re-offend) from the larger part of the death-row populace, I think that it's likely not in the first 3 real reasons. But, nothing I could say could ever be anything more than conjecture. Unfortunately, I understand that the search for an a alternative was quite quickly satisfied. I saw a Terry Pratchett documentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pratchett:_Choosing_to_Die[^]) that actually showed an old fella taking one of the poison cocktails available. It was relatively easy viewing, right up until the final seconds of the gentleman's life. Knowing that it wasn't entirely comfortable and that his wife was holding his hand and will remember those moments evermore made it really hard to watch. I think that as a society, we're incredibly selfish when it comes to refusing someone the chance to leave this world on their own terms, without discomfort. Over 20 years ago, I spent 2 weeks working in a palliative care facility in my 3rd last year of high-school, as part of the school's community service program (a positive program, not one of punishment). I'd happily volunteer time and emotional energy to an assisted-suicide facility - in any area but that of it's ultimate purpose. I think those people whose bodies have/are failing them should have all the support and pleasantry we can possibly afford them.:rose: Call me a psychopath, but that's what I'd happily remove from persons that are currently executed. I say give them a sentence of slave labour and a miserable existence. We could at least allow (force) them to contribute to society in a meaningful way - of course, that would raise all kinds of new issues to navigate. I'd quite like to think they contributed to the construction of public works, like monuments and infrastructure - not as a means to save money, which it may or may not do, but to have their existence make a positive contribution. Gawd, what a complex series of issues! :wtf: (and an odd discussion, all arising from a simple question wondering about the price of the US's execution chemical of choice, no less!) Thanks for stimulating my thoughts. :thumbsup:
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So, will the anxiety be even worse this second time for him or does he just not care now? Wow. The death penalty should be done by throwing people out of an airplane without a parachute and if they survive they get to live. It would be much cheaper and a fun way to die. :)
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The Argentinian military junta back in the 70's/80's (I think) apparently did this with more than a few political prisoners. Out over the southern Atlantic.
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