Borland targets .Net developers
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: You've got to give Microsoft credit for one thing. When they have a vision, they really pursue it. Most companies haven't got anything like their "staying power" in that regard. The Microsoft way - release a mediocre product, and keep releasing/improving until it's good and it sells. Only Microsoft has the money to do business that way. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003Christian Graus wrote: The Microsoft way - release a mediocre product, and keep releasing/improving until it's good and it sells. Only Microsoft has the money to do business that way. Looks like that's what they're doing with C#, too. :-D (Had they released it with generics/templates from the get-go, then maybe I wouldn't have that opinion.) You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
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I can't believe there still kicking. Their products were the best at one point--it would be really a great thing if they became a "contender" again, but alas, I fear it shall not come to pass. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"They've actually had quite a few profitable quarters over the past 2 years. So they are not as bad off as they once were. Whether they can really make a C# IDE good enough to woo people away from VS.Net remains to be seen. Sean Winstead
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I remember Microsoft C_6_...I wasn't daft enough to use it. At that point in time, Turbo Pascal and Zortech C++ (remember them?) kicked it well across the playground. You've got to give Microsoft credit for one thing. When they have a vision, they really pursue it. Most companies haven't got anything like their "staying power" in that regard. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: You've got to give Microsoft credit for one thing. When they have a vision, they really pursue it. Most companies haven't got anything like their "staying power" in that regard. That's the mistake made by these companies Apple, Sun, Novell, Borland, Lotus, Netscape, AOL (?) .... who produced world class software but later those very same products got integrated into Windows as features X| Answer is simple : Money and Bullying Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: You've got to give Microsoft credit for one thing. When they have a vision, they really pursue it. Most companies haven't got anything like their "staying power" in that regard. ...Or the money to lure away Borlands key compiler developers to work for Microsoft.
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Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!Also likely true! Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: You've got to give Microsoft credit for one thing. When they have a vision, they really pursue it. Most companies haven't got anything like their "staying power" in that regard. That's the mistake made by these companies Apple, Sun, Novell, Borland, Lotus, Netscape, AOL (?) .... who produced world class software but later those very same products got integrated into Windows as features X| Answer is simple : Money and Bullying Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
Kant wrote: Answer is simple : Money and Bullying Almost certainly...yet I'd far rather it was Microsoft in that position than IBM, Apple or (heaven help us) Sun. X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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>Last year they even came close to acquisition by Microsoft. Guess you don't remember this: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-279561.html?legacy=cnet And of those 34, Anders Hejlsberg lead the C# team and Paul Gross is doing something important (tm). Its hard to fight a company with bottomless pockets, especially if they take all of your talent.
Richard Melton wrote: _http://news.com.com/2100-1023-279561.html?legacy=cnet_ http://news.com.com/2100-1023-279561.html?legacy=cnet [^] ;P Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
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Richard Melton wrote: _http://news.com.com/2100-1023-279561.html?legacy=cnet_ http://news.com.com/2100-1023-279561.html?legacy=cnet [^] ;P Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
Bloody hell! I see what you mean: Yocam maintains that Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. "They have the audacity to send limos to Borland's headquarters to take Borland employees out to lunch. I mean, this has got to stop." If true, that's unbelievable. I'd love to see the people responsible for that sort of stunt justify themselves to the Community here, I really would. :suss: Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means. :~ Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Bloody hell! I see what you mean: Yocam maintains that Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. "They have the audacity to send limos to Borland's headquarters to take Borland employees out to lunch. I mean, this has got to stop." If true, that's unbelievable. I'd love to see the people responsible for that sort of stunt justify themselves to the Community here, I really would. :suss: Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means. :~ Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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>Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means.\ Yea, the thing is that they have sooooo much money. I like capitalism, but capitalism without competition is a bad thing.
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Bloody hell! I see what you mean: Yocam maintains that Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. "They have the audacity to send limos to Borland's headquarters to take Borland employees out to lunch. I mean, this has got to stop." If true, that's unbelievable. I'd love to see the people responsible for that sort of stunt justify themselves to the Community here, I really would. :suss: Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means. :~ Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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I'm sorry, but I really don't see anything wrong with hiring people away from a competitor. Employees are people with free will that can make their own decisions about where to work. They are not the property of their employer. Anders in particular has had the opportunity to do something he may not have ever been able to do at Borland, develop his own language from scratch. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Bloody hell! I see what you mean: Yocam maintains that Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. "They have the audacity to send limos to Borland's headquarters to take Borland employees out to lunch. I mean, this has got to stop." If true, that's unbelievable. I'd love to see the people responsible for that sort of stunt justify themselves to the Community here, I really would. :suss: Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means. :~ Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: If true, that's unbelievable Especially because I'm not getting a million dollar hiring bonus to work at Microsoft.
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Bloody hell! I see what you mean: Yocam maintains that Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. "They have the audacity to send limos to Borland's headquarters to take Borland employees out to lunch. I mean, this has got to stop." If true, that's unbelievable. I'd love to see the people responsible for that sort of stunt justify themselves to the Community here, I really would. :suss: Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means. :~ Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. Hey! Somebody screwed up! I haven't had a limo drive up to MY house to take me out to lunch and lure me away with a $1M signing bonus! Hey Bill!!! You forget about MEEEEE!!!! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
I can't believe there still kicking. Their products were the best at one point--it would be really a great thing if they became a "contender" again, but alas, I fear it shall not come to pass. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Turbo C++ and Turbo Assembler kicked ass! Microsoft had nothing on them on DOS. :) -- Ignorant people upsets me.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I can't believe there still kicking. I agree. When I started coding in C++, I used their IDE. Their complier speed was awesome. Marc Clifton wrote: it would be really a great thing if they became a "contender" again, but alas, I fear it shall not come to pass. I wonder how many employees left in that company. They went through several round of layoffs in the last year. Last year they even came close to acquisition by Microsoft. Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
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Microsoft is luring personnel away with huge signing bonuses, some in excess of $1 million. Hey! Somebody screwed up! I haven't had a limo drive up to MY house to take me out to lunch and lure me away with a $1M signing bonus! Hey Bill!!! You forget about MEEEEE!!!! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: Hey Bill!!! You forget about MEEEEE!!!! No Marc, I remember you. It's just a matter of time dude. And this time I'll not send just one limo, but two, one for your driver and one for you. :rolleyes: :~ And the carrot will be 1 billion instead of that small pocket change of 1 million, so start looking for a beach house at your favorite beach already. :) Signed, William Butler Henry Gates III (that Rohit Sinha is just a fake, man! I'm the real thing, yo!)
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I can't believe there still kicking. Their products were the best at one point--it would be really a great thing if they became a "contender" again, but alas, I fear it shall not come to pass. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Their products *ARE STILL* by far the best - Delphi kicks butt, neither VC++ nor VB even come CLOSE..... Can't wait to see and use their .NET IDE - VS.NET sucks big time...... And Borland is very healthy, very profitable - good things will be coming from Scotts Valley! Marc (the Swiss one) :-)
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Marc Clifton wrote: I can't believe there still kicking. I agree. When I started coding in C++, I used their IDE. Their complier speed was awesome. Marc Clifton wrote: it would be really a great thing if they became a "contender" again, but alas, I fear it shall not come to pass. I wonder how many employees left in that company. They went through several round of layoffs in the last year. Last year they even came close to acquisition by Microsoft. Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
>>I wonder how many employees left in that company. According to finance.yahoo.com, at last count, 1158 - mind you, that's not counting the newly acquired folks from BoldSoft, TogetherSoft, and Starbase Corp. Borland is doing very well, has been profitable for the past several quarters, has lots of cash in the bank - it's a very healthy, and very capable company. I for one am looking forward to Delphi for .NET and the Borland IDE for .NET - BIG TIME! Marc (the Swiss one)
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Once a Microsoft competitor but now it's mere supporter/ .NET licensee :eek: "The first version of the toolset, code-named Sidewinder, will be a development and design tool for the C# language (pronounced C sharp), Microsoft's alternative to Java. Subsequent versions will support other programming languages." Borland targets .Net developers[^] Cricket World Cup [^] First Match South Africa vs West Indies Feb 9th 2003 Match begins at 06:15AM EST
I think any developper who used the Borlands IDEs has good memories about them. It's :cool: there's a new competitor in the game. It might also be for Java a new step in direction of the programming languages cemetary.
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>Mind you, reading the rest of the article, Microsoft isn't the only company operating this way by any means.\ Yea, the thing is that they have sooooo much money. I like capitalism, but capitalism without competition is a bad thing.
Richard Melton wrote: Yea, the thing is that they have sooooo much money. I like capitalism, but capitalism without competition is a bad thing. That reminds me of when the state telecoms company here (BT) was privatised by Thatcher in the early 80s...they had no effective competition whatsoever (even today. competion is very limited) and wondered why everybody hated them. ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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