Anti-Americanism Takes Shape in Western Europe

Lost User

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Korea Vietnam Both situations caused by fallout from WW2. We stuck around to clean-up the messes while Europeans re-built. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

Mike Mullikin wrote: Both situations caused by fallout from WW2. How do you figure? If anything, it was related to Stalin and Soviet. I just don't see the WW2-connection other than Stalin being involved in WW2. -- "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

Lost User

Yeah, I was refering to the East(Russia/China) and the West(US/UK/etc) splitting everything up after WW2. These people (Germans, Koreans, Vietnamese) had been living together for many centuries and then we come along and split'em up for no good reason. Mike Mullikin :beer:

I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Stan Shannon wrote: They would have slit your throat for calling them American. Gee, I wonder why! Stan Shannon wrote: And if you will check your history you will find that it was the powers of Europe who started that process. Yeah, but you were so kind to nearly finish it. Stan Shannon wrote: As with Fascism, being against Communism is a good thing, what's *your* point? My point had nothing to do with communism or fascism. I just wanted to get through your thick skull (pardon my french) that there are no countries with an innocent history. -- "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

jan larsen

Schlaubi wrote: Surely these didn't reach the dimension of WWI/WWII The death toll of the genocide on the native americans were actually about the same size as holocaust: http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/disasters-war.html[^] "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

HENDRIK R

Sh*t ... I never thought that the death rates have been that high :((

brianwelsch

Not to mention the millions of slaves that died. :( BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

Stan Shannon

Those number are ludicrous. Most Indian tribes lived in a constant state of war long before we Americans were forced from our ancestral Europeans homes, plunged into a lawless frontier and pitted against them to carve out new empires for European kings. They were constantly waging genocidal wars against one another. The Indians were given every opportunity to defend themselves from us. Where is the casualty count for the numbers of innocent European settlers that the Indians slaughtered? They lost, We won, end of story. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

jan larsen

Stan Shannon wrote: Most Indian tribes lived in a constant state of war long before we Americans were forced from our ancestral Europeans homes, Yes, my ancestors carefully picked every single american: "Ooh, there's an American, off you go!...". Stan Shannon wrote: The Indians were given every opportunity to defend themselves from us "You see, we have determined to free humanity from the burden of your genes, to be fair, we allow you to defend yourselves." Stan Shannon wrote: Where is the casualty count for the numbers of innocent European settlers that the Indians slaughtered? It wasn't the issue, so I actually didn't look for it. Anyway the numbers on the Indian death toll doesn't really say anything about the state of their innocense do they?. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

Stan Shannon

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Yeah, but you were so kind to nearly finish it. Once started, there was little probability of a peaceful resolution. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: My point had nothing to do with communism or fascism. I just wanted to get through your thick skull (pardon my french) that there are no countries with an innocent history. Thanks for the complement. However, I never said the US was innocent. Just that, all things considered, our record is clearly better than that of Europe's, taken as a whole. You Europeans need to get over the notion that you possess any kind of political/diplomatic historic record to which the world owes some kind of respect. The US has managed world affairs far better than any European government ever did. Without us, you guys would probably still be hacking away at each other like so many mindless dark age barbarians. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle