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  • K Kevin Marois

    I now have a couple of Sumsung 4S phones running Android. So I thought I might try to learn to develop apps for them. What's the language / tool stack I need?

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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    LloydA111
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    Personally I'd go for Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET. It's not free but you get full Visual Studio integration.

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      The answer[^]

      Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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      Kevin Marois
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      Right, I would never have thought to Google it before asking here.

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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      • K Kevin Marois

        Right, I would never have thought to Google it before asking here.

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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        Lost User
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        Glad I could help! ;P

        Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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        • K Kevin Marois

          Right, I would never have thought to Google it before asking here.

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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          Lost User
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          Kevin Marois wrote:

          I would never have thought to Google it

          Strangely enough that's what most of us thought.

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            Kevin Marois wrote:

            I would never have thought to Google it

            Strangely enough that's what most of us thought.

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            Kevin Marois
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            If you're going to post an annoying snotty response, at least quote me right

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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            • K Kevin Marois

              I now have a couple of Sumsung 4S phones running Android. So I thought I might try to learn to develop apps for them. What's the language / tool stack I need?

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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              Yuriy Loginov
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              I personally use Java to build android apps. For an IDE you can use Eclipse with Android plug ins. I believe you can download eclipse with all the plugins already installed. Google recently came out with Android Studio IDE, but I haven't personally tried it out. If you are starting from scratch may be worth investigating that option. Finally you will need to set up some emulators. The default ones are pretty slow and I strongly recommend you get Intel ones, just look for HAXM emulators

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                Personally I'd go for Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET. It's not free but you get full Visual Studio integration.

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                Munchies_Matt
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                Lloyd Atkinson wrote:

                Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET

                That compiles to Java bytecode does it?

                "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                  Lloyd Atkinson wrote:

                  Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET

                  That compiles to Java bytecode does it?

                  "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                  I think it does yes.

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                    I think it does yes.

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    That's pretty cool. That isn't an MSFT tool then is it? How does it work using the C# language, is there some sort of license with MSFT? Because MSFT have bought Nokia and want to push WIndows CE so its surprising they support ANdroid.

                    "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                    • Y Yuriy Loginov

                      I personally use Java to build android apps. For an IDE you can use Eclipse with Android plug ins. I believe you can download eclipse with all the plugins already installed. Google recently came out with Android Studio IDE, but I haven't personally tried it out. If you are starting from scratch may be worth investigating that option. Finally you will need to set up some emulators. The default ones are pretty slow and I strongly recommend you get Intel ones, just look for HAXM emulators

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                      Android studio is based on JetBrains IDEA. You can also go download the Community Edition of JetBrains IDEA. I highly recommend it. I've used a number of IDE's and JetBrains are hands-down the best this side of Visual Studio.

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                      • K Kevin Marois

                        I now have a couple of Sumsung 4S phones running Android. So I thought I might try to learn to develop apps for them. What's the language / tool stack I need?

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                        Dave Calkins
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                        The recommended/default tool stack is the Eclipse IDE with the ADT Plugin writing code in Java. You can follow the instructions at the below link to get setup and get help creating your first app. Lots of good info there. Building Your First App[^] There are other approaches like Xamarin (which MS recently bought and is apparently integrated with VS nicely) as someone else posted. That has the advantage of developing for multiple platforms. Just depends how you want to do it.

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                        • K Kevin Marois

                          I now have a couple of Sumsung 4S phones running Android. So I thought I might try to learn to develop apps for them. What's the language / tool stack I need?

                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                          Mitchell J
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                          If you're feeling adventurous you can do what I did[^] back in December... :-D Phonegap is awesome to work with, in my opinion.

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                          • K Kevin Marois

                            If you're going to post an annoying snotty response, at least quote me right

                            If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            He did. When you quote a book, you don't quote the entire book.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              Lloyd Atkinson wrote:

                              Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET

                              That compiles to Java bytecode does it?

                              "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                              Munchies_Matt wrote:

                              That compiles to Java bytecode does it?

                              Nope, that compiles to MSIL. There is a Mono interpreter inside it too... Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono

                              Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source

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                                Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                That compiles to Java bytecode does it?

                                Nope, that compiles to MSIL. There is a Mono interpreter inside it too... Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono

                                Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source

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                                Munchies_Matt
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                                Ahh, there is a MSIL byte code translator. OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?

                                ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote:

                                Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono

                                OK, interesting, didn't know that.

                                "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                                  Check this Underrated CP article, this is more than enough for you. Challenges and solutions - Architecture of a Modern Web Application - Mobile App - Part 3[^]

                                  thatraja

                                  Code converters | Education Needed | Improve EverythingNew

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                                  Rob Philpott
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                                  Agreed. Not seen that before and very informative.

                                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                  • K Kevin Marois

                                    If you're going to post an annoying snotty response, at least quote me right

                                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                                    This is the Lounge, if it's too hot for you ...

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                                    • M Munchies_Matt

                                      Ahh, there is a MSIL byte code translator. OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?

                                      ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote:

                                      Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono

                                      OK, interesting, didn't know that.

                                      "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                                      MSIL is different from Java bytecode. Android gives the option for native apps (unlike that Microsoft's Mango). Android has pre-installed support for Java with dalvik. For MSIL you need MonoTouch or something similar. It is like a whole CLR with AOT compilation applied to it in some versions.

                                      Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                      OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?

                                      Similar probably. By the time I started learning how a compiler works, J++ had been dead already. No idea:confused:

                                      Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source

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                                        MSIL is different from Java bytecode. Android gives the option for native apps (unlike that Microsoft's Mango). Android has pre-installed support for Java with dalvik. For MSIL you need MonoTouch or something similar. It is like a whole CLR with AOT compilation applied to it in some versions.

                                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                        OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?

                                        Similar probably. By the time I started learning how a compiler works, J++ had been dead already. No idea:confused:

                                        Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source

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                                        Munchies_Matt
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                                        ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote:

                                        J++ had been dead already

                                        I recall some discussion of it some time back, how J++, which was supposed to be Java standard'(ish) could run on .net unmodified. Thanks for the clarification though, I don't venture out of the kernel much, ,windows and Linux, so its nice to catch up on stuff like this. :)

                                        "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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