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Why QA People always think to break my Application ?

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  • G Gihan Liyanage

    But any how user will kik us, and also before that, QA people also kik us.. :laugh:

    Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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    One QA person will kick you if they break it. One thousand users will want to kick you if they break it...

    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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    • G Gihan Liyanage

      Hmm, yeah, But I hate when heard, "Let me break your System" ;)

      Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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      So write better code that they can't break. Because if they can't, there is a much better chance that the users won't either.

      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        So write better code that they can't break. Because if they can't, there is a much better chance that the users won't either.

        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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        Gihan Liyanage
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        Hmm. you are right, But its very difficult to have a perfect code always. Don't you think they should change their mind, Because some times they like enemies,

        Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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        • G Gihan Liyanage

          Hmm. you are right, But its very difficult to have a perfect code always. Don't you think they should change their mind, Because some times they like enemies,

          Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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          Gihan Liyanage wrote:

          Don't you think they should change their mind

          No, I think you should change your mind! Why? Simple:

          Gihan Liyanage wrote:

          its very difficult to have a perfect code always

          So someone has to find the problems. And a good tester is one who finds them, not one that doesn't. They are problem solvers, just like developers, but their problem is to work out where you might have got it wrong... If you start giving them software to test that they can;t break, perhaps they will stop assuming it will break when you give it to them? There is an old joke in development: "I'll double your salary when you hand over the code! But I'll halve it for every bug we find..."

          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • G Gihan Liyanage

            But any how user will kik us, and also before that, QA people also kik us.. :laugh:

            Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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            CHill60
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            QA People also don't usually demand their money back !! Trust me ... a QA Team (even if it is only one person) is a Good Thing. They are not your enemy. They are your friend - sometimes love hurts.

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            • G Gihan Liyanage

              But any how user will kik us, and also before that, QA people also kik us.. :laugh:

              Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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              Pete OHanlon
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              Think of it another way. If you do your job properly, they won't break it.

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              • G Gihan Liyanage

                :sigh: " Let me break your Application " :(

                Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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                Mike Hankey
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                Questionable Attitude (QA) do it just because they love making our lives miserable while giving themselves job security. :)

                Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?

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                • G Gihan Liyanage

                  :sigh: " Let me break your Application " :(

                  Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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                  TheWebDeveloper
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                  Its called testing

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                  • G Gihan Liyanage

                    :sigh: " Let me break your Application " :(

                    Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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                    Dan Neely
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                    I feel your pain. A good QA person should be all "MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to smash your application into elventy zillion little pieces. MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!" Non-motivated testers let lots of bugs into production; and they're never the people who get blamed when the big boss is doing a demo and something blows up in front of the customer.

                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                    • G Gihan Liyanage

                      :sigh: " Let me break your Application " :(

                      Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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                      Pualee
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                      QA people are 'graded' on how many bugs they find... their job depends on it. So instead of working with you to ensure there are no bugs in the program, they do everything possible to invent problems that they can highlight just before release. It is really a bad situation. I don't have a solution... but umm... that's my opinion. I used to throw in some obvious low liars into my code, so they could write those up and not start questioning arbitrary things like, what happens if the end user is malicious and puts a stick of dynamite under the server room. Will the client gracefully shut down and save work locally until the server comes back up again? What about if the client computer is exploded too... is that redundant as well X|

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                        QA people are 'graded' on how many bugs they find... their job depends on it. So instead of working with you to ensure there are no bugs in the program, they do everything possible to invent problems that they can highlight just before release. It is really a bad situation. I don't have a solution... but umm... that's my opinion. I used to throw in some obvious low liars into my code, so they could write those up and not start questioning arbitrary things like, what happens if the end user is malicious and puts a stick of dynamite under the server room. Will the client gracefully shut down and save work locally until the server comes back up again? What about if the client computer is exploded too... is that redundant as well X|

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                        Pualee wrote:

                        QA people are 'graded' on how many bugs they find... their job depends on it.

                        This is just as bad as measuring dev's performance by number of lines of code. Fortunately this is not always the case :)

                        -- "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."

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                        • G Gihan Liyanage

                          :sigh: " Let me break your Application " :(

                          Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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                          BobJanova
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                          That's the developer vs tester game! Developers play by trying to catch mistakes before the tester gets to see them!

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                          • P Pualee

                            QA people are 'graded' on how many bugs they find... their job depends on it. So instead of working with you to ensure there are no bugs in the program, they do everything possible to invent problems that they can highlight just before release. It is really a bad situation. I don't have a solution... but umm... that's my opinion. I used to throw in some obvious low liars into my code, so they could write those up and not start questioning arbitrary things like, what happens if the end user is malicious and puts a stick of dynamite under the server room. Will the client gracefully shut down and save work locally until the server comes back up again? What about if the client computer is exploded too... is that redundant as well X|

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                            Stefan_Lang
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                            Pualee wrote:

                            Will the client gracefully shut down and save work locally until the server comes back up again?

                            Of course, and it will automatically call in tech service to clean up the mess and fix it, and serve coffee and donuts to the users while they wait :-D

                            GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                            • G Gihan Liyanage

                              :sigh: " Let me break your Application " :(

                              Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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                              Roger Wright
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                              If you've done your job correctly, they won't be able to break your system. If your entire team does its job correctly, and QA can't break anything at all, QA will be looking for work, and that's the real payoff! :-D

                              Will Rogers never met me.

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                                QA people are 'graded' on how many bugs they find... their job depends on it. So instead of working with you to ensure there are no bugs in the program, they do everything possible to invent problems that they can highlight just before release. It is really a bad situation. I don't have a solution... but umm... that's my opinion. I used to throw in some obvious low liars into my code, so they could write those up and not start questioning arbitrary things like, what happens if the end user is malicious and puts a stick of dynamite under the server room. Will the client gracefully shut down and save work locally until the server comes back up again? What about if the client computer is exploded too... is that redundant as well X|

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                                Gihan Liyanage
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                                Cant they find bugs without hating the System ?

                                Gihan Liyanage http://gihansampathliyanage.wordpress.com

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