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  • P Paul Watson

    302 elite troops dead[^] in crash. Now I know this topic has been beaten to death but: I only happened to hear about this tragedy by visiting Google news. It is like a sub-sub-sub-sub link on CNN.com. BBC, second item so go BBC. But come on peeps. Just for one second think how farked into a frenzied cocked hat the media would be if that Iranian plane was American and had US troops in it. I would have woken up with "Air Disaster" taped to my forehead and the CNN anchor in my bedroom. In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world.

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
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    Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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    It may also be a factor which country it happened in. Iran isn't the most open country in the world, especially to a free press corps. What gets my goat is that if it happened in America, there would be a Muslim cleric in Iran saying God did it because we're the great satan.

    Jason Henderson
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      Paul Watson wrote: because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) I always thought Reuters was British... Mike Mullikin :beer:

      Women: You can't live with them, and you can't get them to dress up in a skimpy Nazi costume and beat you with a warm squash. - Emo Phillips

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      Mike Mullikin wrote: I always thought Reuters was British... My apologies, my mistake. Still driven by US news channels it seems like.

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
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      Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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        Megan Forbes wrote: You sure you don't have journalist training? That certainly sounds about right lol thanks. News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them. What got to me though was "They should be human interest mainly. Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO. They see the only worthwhile photos being those that give them leverage on their viewers emotions.

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
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        Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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        Paul Watson wrote: News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them. Wow, congrats, Paul! :cool:
        Regards,

        Rohit Sinha

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          It may also be a factor which country it happened in. Iran isn't the most open country in the world, especially to a free press corps. What gets my goat is that if it happened in America, there would be a Muslim cleric in Iran saying God did it because we're the great satan.

          Jason Henderson
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          Jason Henderson wrote: What gets my goat is that if it happened in America, there would be a Muslim cleric in Iran saying God did it because we're the great satan. Yeah, that is just sad stuff. It just undermines the already unstable image I have of them.

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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            Mike Mullikin wrote: I always thought Reuters was British... My apologies, my mistake. Still driven by US news channels it seems like.

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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            Paul Watson wrote: My apologies, my mistake. You are forgiven. :rolleyes: P.S. I agree that the press have a seriously screwed up sense of priorities. Mike Mullikin :beer:

            Women: You can't live with them, and you can't get them to dress up in a skimpy Nazi costume and beat you with a warm squash. - Emo Phillips

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              Paul Watson wrote: lol thanks. :) No Probs! Paul Watson wrote: News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them Congrats! :cool: Paul Watson wrote: What got to me though was "They should be human interest mainly. Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO. They see the only worthwhile photos being those that give them leverage on their viewers emotions. Pretty much the same here, but this time specifically international news - I wonder if the little old ladies being beaten up over here for their pensions and loaves of bread would interest them - seems doubtful, for the same reason you state :( Oh well, I work in the wrong city for news anyway (I'm having trouble deciding whether Maidstone or Nelspruit is larger). Personally I prefer iafrica to News24 (they did feature the Iran plane crash this morning), and have had an article on London published by them once, but to be honest, I find writing blurb to go with my shots tedious in comparison with the fun I have taking the shots themselves. Guess I should grow up huh? :-O


              But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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              Megan Forbes wrote: Guess I should grow up huh? Trust me, it's not worth it. ;) The most "grown up" people I've met are also the straighest and most boring. :| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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              • P Paul Watson

                302 elite troops dead[^] in crash. Now I know this topic has been beaten to death but: I only happened to hear about this tragedy by visiting Google news. It is like a sub-sub-sub-sub link on CNN.com. BBC, second item so go BBC. But come on peeps. Just for one second think how farked into a frenzied cocked hat the media would be if that Iranian plane was American and had US troops in it. I would have woken up with "Air Disaster" taped to my forehead and the CNN anchor in my bedroom. In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world.

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                Actually, it was a front page link on msn.com when I looked yesterday. A sad event for any country to experience, friendly or not to the US. It is no less a tragedy for their family and friends than it would be here... The article had few details - any word yet on what happened? It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
                Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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                  Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. I agree completely, although it was at least one of the news items on Sky. Still, not greatly in bold font, huge letters, wailing and gnashing of teeth or anything. On a funnier topic (and anyone in the US please tell me if this is true or not!) our morning news program stated yesterday that the US was brought to a standstill yesterday (yes, even the impending war was kicked from the news screens apparently) as all channels switched over to the live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC :laugh: Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but what kind of crazy coverage is that!


                  But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                  Megan Forbes wrote: live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy....:( :rolleyes: I can't vouch for the standstill part, because I didn't catch much TV news yesterday, but I'd say a grain of salt should be taken along with that. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                    Megan Forbes wrote: You sure you don't have journalist training? That certainly sounds about right lol thanks. News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them. What got to me though was "They should be human interest mainly. Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO. They see the only worthwhile photos being those that give them leverage on their viewers emotions.

                    Paul Watson
                    Bluegrass
                    Cape Town, South Africa

                    Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                    Paul Watson wrote: Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO It's hard to tug on the heartstrings with a picture of a flux capacitor. But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? If we could place a footnote on their person that said "Fed, 21/2/03, Brian Welsch" why I'd be sure to get a piece of that action!! :( BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                      Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know if I believe that or not, but it does stand to reason that regardless of the measure of a disaster there are only so many things which can be reported on any given day. Indeed, very true. But I would wager my left nut that if the same air crash happened in America that every news agency would break the bank getting to it and reporting on it all day every day for at least 2 weeks. And the thing is, all our news channels would be plastered with it as well because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) Not saying it is Americas fault. Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. This whole Iraq issue has brought up that dependency in my eyes. Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord.

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                      Paul Watson wrote: Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. Thank You. Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                        Paul Watson wrote: Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO It's hard to tug on the heartstrings with a picture of a flux capacitor. But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? If we could place a footnote on their person that said "Fed, 21/2/03, Brian Welsch" why I'd be sure to get a piece of that action!! :( BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                        brianwelsch wrote: But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about.


                        But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                          Megan Forbes wrote: live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy....:( :rolleyes: I can't vouch for the standstill part, because I didn't catch much TV news yesterday, but I'd say a grain of salt should be taken along with that. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                          brianwelsch wrote: How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy.... :laugh: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? ;)


                          But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                            Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. Yes, they're. It's always a question of how famous involved people have been or if it's really significant for the nation (have we been proud of the sacrifices? does it affect our personal life? dog sings Happy Birthday). If either is the case it's good news worth to be shown the whole day, week, ... When some thousand people die in a gale in Asia or South America we hear about that 1 time. But if a famous person dies in a car accident it's shown on every channel including lots of background knowledge. I think it's a bad situation, but the news mainly show what the people are interested in - and that's nearly nothing that doesn't affect them.

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                            Schlaubi wrote: but the news mainly show what the people are interested in I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                              brianwelsch wrote: How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy.... :laugh: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? ;)


                              But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                              Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? What exactly do you mean with "something more important like watching The Simpsons"?? Is there anything more important out in the world? Are you really sure about that? :confused:

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                                brianwelsch wrote: How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy.... :laugh: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? ;)


                                But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                                Megan Forbes wrote: like watching The Simpsons Actually, last night I was watching American Idol*. :-O [edit]*A take off of Pop Idol[/edit] BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                  Paul Watson wrote: Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. Thank You. Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                  brianwelsch wrote: Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there That is a bad thing, isn't it? Bush is republican isn't he? Or is he a democrat? Or a facist? Or does nobody know what he actually is?

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                                  Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                                    Schlaubi wrote: but the news mainly show what the people are interested in I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                    brianwelsch wrote: I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. Unfortunately in most cases your scenario fits. :( But we in Germany have one news-'show' that doesn't use optical means to catch viewers. It's broadcasted every day at 8pm, lasts only 15 minutes and has one of the highest ratings of the day. And that's an exception. All the other new shows bank on the stuff you mentioned. That's bad, because it's more show than news. brianwelsch wrote: It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. That'd be really nice, but in the nearer future there'll ever be differences between what nation the news belongs to.

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                                      brianwelsch wrote: But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about.


                                      But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                                      Megan Forbes wrote: Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about. Are you going for Non-PC Person of the year award? :-D

                                      Paul Watson
                                      Bluegrass
                                      Cape Town, South Africa

                                      Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                                        brianwelsch wrote: Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there That is a bad thing, isn't it? Bush is republican isn't he? Or is he a democrat? Or a facist? Or does nobody know what he actually is?

                                        Paul Watson
                                        Bluegrass
                                        Cape Town, South Africa

                                        Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                                        No Republican isn't bad. There really aren't too different from Democrats, all being politicians playing the same game... Bush is republican. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                          Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know if I believe that or not, but it does stand to reason that regardless of the measure of a disaster there are only so many things which can be reported on any given day. Indeed, very true. But I would wager my left nut that if the same air crash happened in America that every news agency would break the bank getting to it and reporting on it all day every day for at least 2 weeks. And the thing is, all our news channels would be plastered with it as well because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) Not saying it is Americas fault. Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. This whole Iraq issue has brought up that dependency in my eyes. Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord.

                                          Paul Watson
                                          Bluegrass
                                          Cape Town, South Africa

                                          Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                                          Paul Watson wrote: Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord. One can only dream of how great it would be if the whole world was one giant free and democratic nation, although not necessarily like the US or run by a guy like Dubya. Regards, Alvaro


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