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  • P Paul Watson

    302 elite troops dead[^] in crash. Now I know this topic has been beaten to death but: I only happened to hear about this tragedy by visiting Google news. It is like a sub-sub-sub-sub link on CNN.com. BBC, second item so go BBC. But come on peeps. Just for one second think how farked into a frenzied cocked hat the media would be if that Iranian plane was American and had US troops in it. I would have woken up with "Air Disaster" taped to my forehead and the CNN anchor in my bedroom. In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world.

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
    Cape Town, South Africa

    Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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    Actually, it was a front page link on msn.com when I looked yesterday. A sad event for any country to experience, friendly or not to the US. It is no less a tragedy for their family and friends than it would be here... The article had few details - any word yet on what happened? It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
    Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003

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      Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. I agree completely, although it was at least one of the news items on Sky. Still, not greatly in bold font, huge letters, wailing and gnashing of teeth or anything. On a funnier topic (and anyone in the US please tell me if this is true or not!) our morning news program stated yesterday that the US was brought to a standstill yesterday (yes, even the impending war was kicked from the news screens apparently) as all channels switched over to the live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC :laugh: Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but what kind of crazy coverage is that!


      But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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      Megan Forbes wrote: live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy....:( :rolleyes: I can't vouch for the standstill part, because I didn't catch much TV news yesterday, but I'd say a grain of salt should be taken along with that. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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        Megan Forbes wrote: You sure you don't have journalist training? That certainly sounds about right lol thanks. News24 told me I should carry on submitting photos to them. What got to me though was "They should be human interest mainly. Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO. They see the only worthwhile photos being those that give them leverage on their viewers emotions.

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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        Paul Watson wrote: Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO It's hard to tug on the heartstrings with a picture of a flux capacitor. But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? If we could place a footnote on their person that said "Fed, 21/2/03, Brian Welsch" why I'd be sure to get a piece of that action!! :( BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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          Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know if I believe that or not, but it does stand to reason that regardless of the measure of a disaster there are only so many things which can be reported on any given day. Indeed, very true. But I would wager my left nut that if the same air crash happened in America that every news agency would break the bank getting to it and reporting on it all day every day for at least 2 weeks. And the thing is, all our news channels would be plastered with it as well because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) Not saying it is Americas fault. Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. This whole Iraq issue has brought up that dependency in my eyes. Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord.

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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          Paul Watson wrote: Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. Thank You. Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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            Paul Watson wrote: Pets, old ladies, the homeless etc." That bites IMO It's hard to tug on the heartstrings with a picture of a flux capacitor. But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? If we could place a footnote on their person that said "Fed, 21/2/03, Brian Welsch" why I'd be sure to get a piece of that action!! :( BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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            brianwelsch wrote: But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about.


            But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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              Megan Forbes wrote: live rescue of a dog floating about on a piece of ice off NYC How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy....:( :rolleyes: I can't vouch for the standstill part, because I didn't catch much TV news yesterday, but I'd say a grain of salt should be taken along with that. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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              brianwelsch wrote: How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy.... :laugh: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? ;)


              But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                Paul Watson wrote: In general I would say things are disproportinatley FUBAR in our world. Yes, they're. It's always a question of how famous involved people have been or if it's really significant for the nation (have we been proud of the sacrifices? does it affect our personal life? dog sings Happy Birthday). If either is the case it's good news worth to be shown the whole day, week, ... When some thousand people die in a gale in Asia or South America we hear about that 1 time. But if a famous person dies in a car accident it's shown on every channel including lots of background knowledge. I think it's a bad situation, but the news mainly show what the people are interested in - and that's nearly nothing that doesn't affect them.

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                Schlaubi wrote: but the news mainly show what the people are interested in I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                • M Megan Forbes

                  brianwelsch wrote: How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy.... :laugh: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? ;)


                  But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                  Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? What exactly do you mean with "something more important like watching The Simpsons"?? Is there anything more important out in the world? Are you really sure about that? :confused:

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                    brianwelsch wrote: How did I miss that! Poor widdle puppy doggy.... :laugh: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? ;)


                    But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                    Megan Forbes wrote: like watching The Simpsons Actually, last night I was watching American Idol*. :-O [edit]*A take off of Pop Idol[/edit] BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                    • B brianwelsch

                      Paul Watson wrote: Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. Thank You. Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there. ;) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                      brianwelsch wrote: Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there That is a bad thing, isn't it? Bush is republican isn't he? Or is he a democrat? Or a facist? Or does nobody know what he actually is?

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                      • B brianwelsch

                        Schlaubi wrote: but the news mainly show what the people are interested in I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                        brianwelsch wrote: I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. Unfortunately in most cases your scenario fits. :( But we in Germany have one news-'show' that doesn't use optical means to catch viewers. It's broadcasted every day at 8pm, lasts only 15 minutes and has one of the highest ratings of the day. And that's an exception. All the other new shows bank on the stuff you mentioned. That's bad, because it's more show than news. brianwelsch wrote: It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. That'd be really nice, but in the nearer future there'll ever be differences between what nation the news belongs to.

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                          brianwelsch wrote: But snapping a shot of the homeless, now we're talking! I suppose we could give them a shower, job, or sandwich, but where's the glory in that?? Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about.


                          But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                          Megan Forbes wrote: Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about. Are you going for Non-PC Person of the year award? :-D

                          Paul Watson
                          Bluegrass
                          Cape Town, South Africa

                          Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                            brianwelsch wrote: Although, I have to say thats a rather Republican view you've got there That is a bad thing, isn't it? Bush is republican isn't he? Or is he a democrat? Or a facist? Or does nobody know what he actually is?

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                            No Republican isn't bad. There really aren't too different from Democrats, all being politicians playing the same game... Bush is republican. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                              Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know if I believe that or not, but it does stand to reason that regardless of the measure of a disaster there are only so many things which can be reported on any given day. Indeed, very true. But I would wager my left nut that if the same air crash happened in America that every news agency would break the bank getting to it and reporting on it all day every day for at least 2 weeks. And the thing is, all our news channels would be plastered with it as well because we get our stuff mainly from America (Retuers, Associated Press etc.) Not saying it is Americas fault. Hell no, it is the rest of the worlds fault. We depend far too much on America. This whole Iraq issue has brought up that dependency in my eyes. Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord.

                              Paul Watson
                              Bluegrass
                              Cape Town, South Africa

                              Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                              Paul Watson wrote: Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord. One can only dream of how great it would be if the whole world was one giant free and democratic nation, although not necessarily like the US or run by a guy like Dubya. Regards, Alvaro


                              All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure. -- Mark Twain

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                                Paul Watson wrote: Made us aware that we might as well be states in the United States of Earth, with GWB as our Overlord. One can only dream of how great it would be if the whole world was one giant free and democratic nation, although not necessarily like the US or run by a guy like Dubya. Regards, Alvaro


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                                Alvaro Mendez wrote: One can only dream of how great it would be if the whole world was one giant free and democratic nation, although not necessarily like the US or run by a guy like Dubya. Not everyone wants democracy. This is a fatal mistake that us westerners often make. We think our way is the best and that it is inconcievable that others would object to our way of life. Of course Afghanis want to be liberated! Look how much better off they are now. Go liberation! And also even if everyone did want democracy forming a rule of law that would cater for every single culture on Earth is near impossible. Hindus have very different requirements to say Mormoms.

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                                Bluegrass
                                Cape Town, South Africa

                                Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                                  brianwelsch wrote: I go back and forth on that one. But I usually agree, because news channels are businesses and require ratings to increase revenue. However, showing the news people want to see, isn't the only way to increase ratings. They simply have to attract viewers with shiney news anchors, cool sound bites and graphics, and "digging up the juicy gossip". you know, make it fun, not informative. Unfortunately in most cases your scenario fits. :( But we in Germany have one news-'show' that doesn't use optical means to catch viewers. It's broadcasted every day at 8pm, lasts only 15 minutes and has one of the highest ratings of the day. And that's an exception. All the other new shows bank on the stuff you mentioned. That's bad, because it's more show than news. brianwelsch wrote: It'd be refreshing though to see a channel who brought a nice balance of tragedy and triumph, and paid no attention to what nation it was, andreported political goings on with little bias. That'd be really nice, but in the nearer future there'll ever be differences between what nation the news belongs to.

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                                  just found www.worldnews.com[^], which looks to take articles from different sources throughout the world. At least have some balance that way. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                    Megan Forbes wrote: Sadly true. And the homeless make good subjects, if only to remind people they should be happy to be in that heated office they're always complaining about. Are you going for Non-PC Person of the year award? :-D

                                    Paul Watson
                                    Bluegrass
                                    Cape Town, South Africa

                                    Roger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!

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                                    Paul Watson wrote: Are you going for Non-PC Person of the year award? :-O Terrible isn't it! :laugh: Too old to change now... Seriously though, one of the projects on UseFilm is "Characters" - and there's loads of great homeless people shots there (my fav is the homeless postman sleeping on a park bench in Prague - priceless face :) ). In fact (just to reinforce your notion above *blush again*) I am thinking of lurking around the tubes one Saturday targetting buskers :rolleyes:


                                    But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                                      Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps you were doing something more important like watching The Simpsons? What exactly do you mean with "something more important like watching The Simpsons"?? Is there anything more important out in the world? Are you really sure about that? :confused:

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                                      Schlaubi wrote: "something more important like watching The Simpsons"?? Is there anything more important out in the world? It seems unlikely, although Malcolm in the Middle is an equal contender in my view :cool:


                                      But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                                        Paul Watson wrote: Are you going for Non-PC Person of the year award? :-O Terrible isn't it! :laugh: Too old to change now... Seriously though, one of the projects on UseFilm is "Characters" - and there's loads of great homeless people shots there (my fav is the homeless postman sleeping on a park bench in Prague - priceless face :) ). In fact (just to reinforce your notion above *blush again*) I am thinking of lurking around the tubes one Saturday targetting buskers :rolleyes:


                                        But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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                                        Megan Forbes wrote: Terrible isn't it! Naaah, not really. Probably just voicing what a lot of people have in their heads anyway. Being too PC IMO is worse than not being PC at all. Megan Forbes wrote: In fact (just to reinforce your notion above *blush again*) I am thinking of lurking around the tubes one Saturday targetting buskers :~ Photography makes you do the strangest things. I am going to go and wander through District Six this weekend, just to get some street photography under my belt. Can you believe that? Me, middle class white collar worker wandering through District Six because he wants photos... shudder the thought! I even enquired the other day as to how much the Township Tours cost so that I could get some squatter camp shots. Not too mention the bloody shins, bruised elbows, dinged head and scrabed knees from clambering into the wierdest spots just to get the right angle on mountains, beaches, rocks and caterpillars. :-D What a wonderful drug.

                                        Paul Watson
                                        Bluegrass
                                        Cape Town, South Africa

                                        berndg wrote: You misunderstand. The fridge... ...also has a web server for monitoring. Why? So that you can see whether the light actually goes off. Ahem. We can sink no lower.

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                                          Megan Forbes wrote: Terrible isn't it! Naaah, not really. Probably just voicing what a lot of people have in their heads anyway. Being too PC IMO is worse than not being PC at all. Megan Forbes wrote: In fact (just to reinforce your notion above *blush again*) I am thinking of lurking around the tubes one Saturday targetting buskers :~ Photography makes you do the strangest things. I am going to go and wander through District Six this weekend, just to get some street photography under my belt. Can you believe that? Me, middle class white collar worker wandering through District Six because he wants photos... shudder the thought! I even enquired the other day as to how much the Township Tours cost so that I could get some squatter camp shots. Not too mention the bloody shins, bruised elbows, dinged head and scrabed knees from clambering into the wierdest spots just to get the right angle on mountains, beaches, rocks and caterpillars. :-D What a wonderful drug.

                                          Paul Watson
                                          Bluegrass
                                          Cape Town, South Africa

                                          berndg wrote: You misunderstand. The fridge... ...also has a web server for monitoring. Why? So that you can see whether the light actually goes off. Ahem. We can sink no lower.

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                                          Paul Watson wrote: Being too PC IMO is worse than not being PC at all. That's my feeling too, although people who go the other way and hurt other's feelings because of what they are, not who they are really p155 me off Paul Watson wrote: I am going to go and wander through District Six this weekend, just to get some street photography under my belt Have fun - there should be some real jewels there, but be careful! It's a strange life, staying home from fear robs us of experiencing it to the fullest, but having the "it won't happen to me" syndrome can change our lives forever in one instant. Paul Watson wrote: What a wonderful drug. Ain't it just! :-D


                                          But I am fantastic in bed! And there are gorgeous women in all the houses I pass. And it would be wrong to leave them unsatisfied! So spam is the only way... - Paul Watson

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