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  • C Chris Losinger

    Jason Henderson wrote: Sorry, but I just can't trust any democratic candidate at this point. and partisan politics rears its ugly head. what color is that dragon? -c

    When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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    Chris Losinger wrote: and partisan politics rears its ugly head. That's exactly what Sen. Edwards is dealing in, partisan politics. If he wants to stop belittling the president and actually state some ideas with substance, I will listen. BTW, My dragon color is White.

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      Michael P Butler wrote: You surprise me Paul. The guy is responsible for one of the worst regimes in the world at the moment. Peope live in fear under him, they have no freedom to express their own views. People just disappear, are tortured and murdered. His not the only one in the world, but he is one of the easiest to go after. We have to show that this kind of treatment of people cannot be tolerated anymore. Be it, Iraq, Korea, Zimbawae, or anywhere else the ruling powers oppress their people. Ideally I agree with you. But now we are getting back to the whole "Who should be the police then? We don't want the US." issue. Also once Saddam goes, who is going to take his place? Will they be any better? And war is going to harm the country, and it's people, even more. So is there a better way of getting rid of Saddam? Also the "I am not 100% convinced Saddam needs to go" statement is more based on the reasons the US are giving. On that playing field there is not much proof and to me it looks more like Bush just being a bully with a personal vendetta and the world does not need that. It is not based on Saddams human rights abuse record or anything like that. This is why so many people are against Bush. They see Evil Saddam and they see Raging Bush. Letting Raging Bush have free reign is quite a scary thought. If we all just give in and say "US knows best, go ahead start liberating the world please" then... well I don't know how good that will be. We are sick of the US throwing it's weight around. So you are scared, sorry terrible thing that happened to you, but give us some hope that you actually care about the rest of us. Everyone knows the US can do what it wants, but we are hoping you don't because then you become no better than Saddam and the others. If human rights is the reason why the US is liberating Iraq then why aren't they regime-changing Zimbabwe too? Plenty of other countries as well.

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      Paul Watson wrote: If we all just give in and say "US knows best, go ahead start liberating the world please" then... well I don't know how good that will be From an American point of view, I don't want to pay for it either. I personally pay around $3000 per year for our military. If it keeps growing I'm really going to start being pissed. (as if that would matter :-O) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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        Chris Losinger wrote: and partisan politics rears its ugly head. That's exactly what Sen. Edwards is dealing in, partisan politics. If he wants to stop belittling the president and actually state some ideas with substance, I will listen. BTW, My dragon color is White.

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        Jason Henderson wrote: If he wants to stop belittling the president and actually state some ideas with substance, I will listen. well, we already know that the only ideas you like are those that agree with GWB. :b just about 50% of the rest of the country aren't all that impressed with GWB, and might welcome a change. -c

        When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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          "...The world is on the brink of a war initiated by our own government against a nation which did not attack us -- a war which will steal from this nation the joy of our purpose in the world and faith in our purpose at home," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, who opposes military action. "Iraq was not responsible for the attack on the World Trade Center or the Pentagon. Iraq has not been credibly linked to al Qaeda's role in 9/11. Iraq was not responsible for the anthrax attack on our nation. Iraq does not have technology to strike this nation," he said. "Inspections are necessary. War is not." Sharpton said Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein "is not a man that any of us would support and, clearly, has done grave atrocities." But Sharpton said Bush has not made the case that war is the only option to deal with Iraq, and his push for military action points out the administration's misplaced priorities. "He tells us in the name of war that we must be proud to give our lives to defend the country, and we should," Sharpton said. "But how is it an honor for working-class young men and women to risk their lives in Iraq, but it's a burden for the rich to pay their share of taxes in America?"... http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/23/dnc.bush/index.html[^] Later,
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          JoeSox wrote: "But how is it an honor for working-class young men and women to risk their lives in Iraq, but it's a burden for the rich to pay their share of taxes in America?"... Sharpton is still an idiot. The rich are paying their share of taxes. The poor don't have the means to. Also, the military is voluntary. If it were percieved to be a burden to join, few would do it. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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            Jason Henderson wrote: If he wants to stop belittling the president and actually state some ideas with substance, I will listen. well, we already know that the only ideas you like are those that agree with GWB. :b just about 50% of the rest of the country aren't all that impressed with GWB, and might welcome a change. -c

            When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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            Chris Losinger wrote: just about 50% of the rest of the country aren't all that impressed with GWB, and might welcome a change And they still offer no alternatives, no solutions. Just more bitching. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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              Chris Losinger wrote: just about 50% of the rest of the country aren't all that impressed with GWB, and might welcome a change And they still offer no alternatives, no solutions. Just more bitching. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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              brianwelsch wrote: And they still offer no alternatives, no solutions. Just more bitching yup. -c

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                brianwelsch wrote: And they still offer no alternatives, no solutions. Just more bitching yup. -c

                When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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                He he. ;)

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                  Jason Henderson wrote: If he wants to stop belittling the president and actually state some ideas with substance, I will listen. well, we already know that the only ideas you like are those that agree with GWB. :b just about 50% of the rest of the country aren't all that impressed with GWB, and might welcome a change. -c

                  When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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                  Last I heard, his approval ratings were still in the 60s.

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                    Last I heard, his approval ratings were still in the 60s.

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                    53%, according to this: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20030214POLL/20030214poll_results.html

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                    • B brianwelsch

                      JoeSox wrote: "But how is it an honor for working-class young men and women to risk their lives in Iraq, but it's a burden for the rich to pay their share of taxes in America?"... Sharpton is still an idiot. The rich are paying their share of taxes. The poor don't have the means to. Also, the military is voluntary. If it were percieved to be a burden to join, few would do it. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                      brianwelsch wrote: The rich are paying their share of taxes. The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. Instead of trying to plan tax breaks why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed?:confused: Later,
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                        Paul Watson wrote: If we all just give in and say "US knows best, go ahead start liberating the world please" then... well I don't know how good that will be From an American point of view, I don't want to pay for it either. I personally pay around $3000 per year for our military. If it keeps growing I'm really going to start being pissed. (as if that would matter :-O) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                        we're going to be paying for this war (and the one in the Phillipines, and the one we haven't finished in Afghanistan) for a long time. luckily, GWB says it's OK to run up deficits. -c

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                          brianwelsch wrote: The rich are paying their share of taxes. The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. Instead of trying to plan tax breaks why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed?:confused: Later,
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                          First, who isn't calling for less taxes? Except for maybe the people who are benefitting from social services. Who says that there aren't any rich people fighting against the war? Percentage-wise you won't see a big number of them, simply because there isn't a large number of rich people. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                            53%, according to this: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20030214POLL/20030214poll_results.html

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                            Zogby has him at 57%. Its understandable with all the war talk and the economy (which isn't really that bad contrary to media reports). If the war is quick and decisive, he'll jump back up to 70 or 80. Given time, the economy will improve no matter what GW does.

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                              Zogby has him at 57%. Its understandable with all the war talk and the economy (which isn't really that bad contrary to media reports). If the war is quick and decisive, he'll jump back up to 70 or 80. Given time, the economy will improve no matter what GW does.

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                              Jason Henderson wrote: If the war is quick and decisive, he'll jump back up to 70 or 80. oooh let me play! and if we suffer an attack on US soil in retaliation for our invasion of Iraq, his numbers will fall off the charts. -c

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                                brianwelsch wrote: The rich are paying their share of taxes. The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. Instead of trying to plan tax breaks why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed?:confused: Later,
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                                JoeSox wrote: The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. I'm b*tching for tax breaks and I'm not rich. If I could, I would refuse to pay taxes to fund half the crap they pay for in Washington. JoeSox wrote: why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed Those troops have volunteered to possibly get killed for their countrymen. Unfortunately, the American people are very fickle and will turn on their leaders if they believe too many troops are dying. It runs contrary to what these troops are fighting for, IMHO.

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                                  Jason Henderson wrote: If the war is quick and decisive, he'll jump back up to 70 or 80. oooh let me play! and if we suffer an attack on US soil in retaliation for our invasion of Iraq, his numbers will fall off the charts. -c

                                  When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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                                  THey may, but sometimes you have to make a stand against tyranny.

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                                    First, who isn't calling for less taxes? Except for maybe the people who are benefitting from social services. Who says that there aren't any rich people fighting against the war? Percentage-wise you won't see a big number of them, simply because there isn't a large number of rich people. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                    I am just trying to explain the quote as I understand it. I don't think he means people he means rich people he means the majority of republicans and Bush are proposing more tax breaks. Later,
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                                      THey may, but sometimes you have to make a stand against tyranny.

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                                      drifting off topic... but... Jason Henderson wrote: sometimes you have to make a stand against tyranny and sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable to negotiate with it - just depends on how weak that particular tyrant is. leaving the topic entirely.... i really can't think of a better way to encourage Iran and NK to develop nukes faster than to show them what we do to countries we don't like who don't have nukes. brave new world order. -c

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                                        JoeSox wrote: The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. I'm b*tching for tax breaks and I'm not rich. If I could, I would refuse to pay taxes to fund half the crap they pay for in Washington. JoeSox wrote: why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed Those troops have volunteered to possibly get killed for their countrymen. Unfortunately, the American people are very fickle and will turn on their leaders if they believe too many troops are dying. It runs contrary to what these troops are fighting for, IMHO.

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                                        Jason Henderson wrote: Those troops have volunteered to possibly get killed for their countrymen. They are still US citizens with the same freedoms as you and I. If they are sent in to kill your children it doesn't mean it is right. Later,
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                                          drifting off topic... but... Jason Henderson wrote: sometimes you have to make a stand against tyranny and sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable to negotiate with it - just depends on how weak that particular tyrant is. leaving the topic entirely.... i really can't think of a better way to encourage Iran and NK to develop nukes faster than to show them what we do to countries we don't like who don't have nukes. brave new world order. -c

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                                          Chris Losinger wrote: and sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable to negotiate with it - just depends on how weak that particular tyrant is. I think that's what we see happening with NK. Chris Losinger wrote: i really can't think of a better way to encourage Iran and NK to develop nukes faster than to show them what we do to countries we don't like who don't have nukes. True, but we'll see what happens to them after Iraq is taken care of. I think the populace of Iran is more receptive to western ideas than their government would lead us to believe. We may see a CIA backed rebellion? NK, is in a world of hurt between its sworn enemies of SK, Japan, and the US, and its big brother China who is wary of their nukes as well. Negotiation seems key here.

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