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  • M Marco Bertschi

    I wouldn't want to have that per line of code. Imagine the PM demanding that you add the relevant Use Case / Requirement paragraph per LOC. Requirements Engineers, Testers and so on aren't developers, this being the reason why they write a documents and not code. Linking these roles might become a problem. Think about persistence.

    "A property doesn't have to be a Property to be a property." - PIEBALDConsult

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    Brisingr Aerowing
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    I think having an attachment cover a section of code (say a method or a class) was what V. was getting at.

    What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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    • M Marco Bertschi

      I wouldn't want to have that per line of code. Imagine the PM demanding that you add the relevant Use Case / Requirement paragraph per LOC. Requirements Engineers, Testers and so on aren't developers, this being the reason why they write a documents and not code. Linking these roles might become a problem. Think about persistence.

      "A property doesn't have to be a Property to be a property." - PIEBALDConsult

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      :wtf: You write so many comments then? I doubt there will be many managers enforcing the developers to include every single line of documentation to the code. In short, this can never be the goal ?

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      • B Brisingr Aerowing

        Interesting idea. And how should those attachments be noted in the code? A path in the comments? (With something like ATTACHMENT: starting it?) should paths be relative to the solution directory or the project directory? Should they be absolute (would break on other systems)?

        What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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        I can think of several options :-) They're part of the solution and thus (in my opinion) relative to that.

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          I can think of several options :-) They're part of the solution and thus (in my opinion) relative to that.

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          Brisingr Aerowing
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          I see. I just thought of linking to a solution item from a comment. Basically the file is included in the solution (using add item) and referenced in a comment by name. No more path issues.

          What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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            Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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            OriginalGriff
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            Getting some people to add XML comments to methods is hard enough - can you imaging just what pictures some people are going to attach to their code? X| I'll give it a miss, thanks.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Getting some people to add XML comments to methods is hard enough - can you imaging just what pictures some people are going to attach to their code? X| I'll give it a miss, thanks.

              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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              Brisingr Aerowing
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              Good point(s).

              What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Getting some people to add XML comments to methods is hard enough - can you imaging just what pictures some people are going to attach to their code? X| I'll give it a miss, thanks.

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                That's not a real argument is it? :-D Question is, if it was available, would you use it. Don't shift responsibility to someone else now ;P .

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                  That's not a real argument is it? :-D Question is, if it was available, would you use it. Don't shift responsibility to someone else now ;P .

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                  OriginalGriff
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                  Think of it this way: if you could post images in the Lounge, I probably would. But...so would spammers, viagra salesmen, trolls, and general morons. Which is why we don't have it! And do you really want your source code to expand that much? My backups are big enough as it is, without potentially adding an image per line of code (or even per method). You and I both know that if you can, some idiot on the team will do it...

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                    Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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                    AlexCode
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                    In my opinion you need to separate things. Code comments serve a different purpose than technical specs and to make it "worse", they have different life-cycles. They can change separately without a strict need to one affect the other. So in your code comments you can eventually refer to a section in the technical spec, but attaching pieces of documentation directly to code would be a maintenance mess.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Think of it this way: if you could post images in the Lounge, I probably would. But...so would spammers, viagra salesmen, trolls, and general morons. Which is why we don't have it! And do you really want your source code to expand that much? My backups are big enough as it is, without potentially adding an image per line of code (or even per method). You and I both know that if you can, some idiot on the team will do it...

                      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                      I'm pretty sure the risk is limited. It isn't a website and most teams are limited in size. You could build in a feature that seriously limits the file size per "attachment" and it will always remain more tedious to add an image than to write a comment.

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                        Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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                        Lost User
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                        My code is self explanatory ;)

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                          Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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                          Amarnath S
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                          Nice idea. Had felt this need sometime ago. One thing though. Would mean that source control should also include some kind of parental control - regarding image content. Or ratings like General, PG, etc. :-)

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                            My code is self explanatory ;)

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                            :laugh:

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                            • V V 0

                              Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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                              peterchen
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                              I use case number or Wiki ID as a comment. VisualAssist SourceLinks[^] plugin turns these comments into links.

                              // Just double click bugz:12345 to see a nice picture of a aardvark

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                                My code is self explanatory ;)

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                                peterchen
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                                I know! I've seen it, it explains, in no uncertain terms, All hope abandon ye who enter here. The "variable" "naming" "convention" is particulary convincing in this aspect.

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                                  :wtf: You write so many comments then? I doubt there will be many managers enforcing the developers to include every single line of documentation to the code. In short, this can never be the goal ?

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                                  Marco Bertschi
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                                  V. wrote:

                                  You write so many comments then

                                  No. But we're discussing enough about what and how to commente, imagine Requirement & Use Case Engineering people being dragged into the very same discussion.

                                  "A property doesn't have to be a Property to be a property." - PIEBALDConsult

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                                  • V V 0

                                    Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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                                    Nagy Vilmos
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                                    How about an IDE that loads all the crap *after* it has opened and not before? That way if I want to check a file I don't have to wait three days and slaughter a small chicken just to check how something was done. Bastard coders, too smart for there own godo!

                                    veni bibi saltavi

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                                      I use case number or Wiki ID as a comment. VisualAssist SourceLinks[^] plugin turns these comments into links.

                                      // Just double click bugz:12345 to see a nice picture of a aardvark

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                                      Nagy Vilmos
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                                      I'm going to have to ding you for poor commenting! The indeffinate article before a vowel is 'an' not 'a'!

                                      veni bibi saltavi

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                                      • V V 0

                                        Am I the only one who wants a feature in visual studio (or any other IDE) that can have images as comments? The idea would be that you have some sort of button in the side bar (when an image was attached at that location) and if you hover over it you see the image you attached. This image could contain a use-case, a drawing or a print out of a file you read in as example, ... If we think further you could attach paragraphs of the functional/technical documentation that are relevant for this piece of code. (but that might be overdoing it too) Just thinking out loud, but I feel the plain text comment is not sufficient ;-) What do you think?

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                                        Daniel Pfeffer
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                                        This still doesn't solve the problem of changing requirements, changing code, etc. 1. How do you ensure that comments remain current when requirements have been added / deleted? 2. ditto when code has been modified.

                                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                                          How about an IDE that loads all the crap *after* it has opened and not before? That way if I want to check a file I don't have to wait three days and slaughter a small chicken just to check how something was done. Bastard coders, too smart for there own godo!

                                          veni bibi saltavi

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                                          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                          too smart for there own godo!

                                          I was waiting for that :)

                                          PooperPig - Coming Soon

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