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  • U User 11360346

    Yes it has purpose. You should see this msdn article. [^] But it wasn't utilized as suppose to.

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    OriginalGriff
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    I looked, I saw: but I didn't see a purpose to having two exception catchers that do the same thing. Yes, if the SocketException catcher logged it differently, or re-tried or similar, and the Exception catcher did a generic log-and-exit instead then it's would have a purpose. But two exceptions (one of which catches everything) that do the same thing? I see no point, except to duplicate code and potentially cause a maintenance problem if the logging mechanism changes.

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      I looked, I saw: but I didn't see a purpose to having two exception catchers that do the same thing. Yes, if the SocketException catcher logged it differently, or re-tried or similar, and the Exception catcher did a generic log-and-exit instead then it's would have a purpose. But two exceptions (one of which catches everything) that do the same thing? I see no point, except to duplicate code and potentially cause a maintenance problem if the logging mechanism changes.

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      User 11360346
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      We can't predict looking the above code since we don't know what Dosomething() method exactly do. What we can infer is that there is a socket processing behind since there is a catch exception on it.

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      • J jeeves77

        Hi CP community. We hired a guy that did this a while ago. It annoyed me then, and now I have a project that I'm refactoring that lo and behold has it as well. Maybe I'm missing some recommended practice (I googled it), and I don't mean to start a war or anything. I just don't see an obvious use for things like this. The message is the same when a socket error occurs...

        try
        {
        DoSomething();
        }
        catch (SocketException e)
        {
        Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
        conn.connecting = false;
        }
        catch (Exception e)
        {
        Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
        conn.connecting = false;
        }

        What purpose in life, universe, code, etc... does a practice like this serve?! (Clarification for all of those who've been giving concrete reasons for catching different exception types. I get that. I do that as well. I'm saying that the guy we hired previously would handle several exception types only to do the same thing as the catch-all block. Literally the same thing. Sometimes he would catch a type only to throw it to the main block doing nothing with the specific type. It bugged the hell out of me. Now I'm refactoring another project that is completely unrelated and I see a similar practice which made my mind wander to here...)

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        Mike Hankey
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        The only thing I can think of is that he didn't know that both were the same and just wanted to keep a separation of concern?

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        • U User 11360346

          We can't predict looking the above code since we don't know what Dosomething() method exactly do. What we can infer is that there is a socket processing behind since there is a catch exception on it.

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          Sascha Lefevre
          wrote on last edited by
          #8

          It's irrelevant what DoSomething() does in regard to the catch-blocks. In case of an exception, either the first or the second catch block gets executed and they do exactly the same, so the more specific one is superfluous.

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          • S Sascha Lefevre

            It's irrelevant what DoSomething() does in regard to the catch-blocks. In case of an exception, either the first or the second catch block gets executed and they do exactly the same, so the more specific one is superfluous.

            If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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            User 11360346
            wrote on last edited by
            #9

            They don't occur exactly with the same reason. Off course both catches exception but how each one will occur determine by the actual method logic. Suppose Dosomething() has DB process, then where you will think possible to be catched if error happens. On catch (Exception ex) block and where do you think the socket error will be catched on (SocketException sex). That is why the method logic determine the exception occurence.

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            • J jeeves77

              Hi CP community. We hired a guy that did this a while ago. It annoyed me then, and now I have a project that I'm refactoring that lo and behold has it as well. Maybe I'm missing some recommended practice (I googled it), and I don't mean to start a war or anything. I just don't see an obvious use for things like this. The message is the same when a socket error occurs...

              try
              {
              DoSomething();
              }
              catch (SocketException e)
              {
              Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
              conn.connecting = false;
              }
              catch (Exception e)
              {
              Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
              conn.connecting = false;
              }

              What purpose in life, universe, code, etc... does a practice like this serve?! (Clarification for all of those who've been giving concrete reasons for catching different exception types. I get that. I do that as well. I'm saying that the guy we hired previously would handle several exception types only to do the same thing as the catch-all block. Literally the same thing. Sometimes he would catch a type only to throw it to the main block doing nothing with the specific type. It bugged the hell out of me. Now I'm refactoring another project that is completely unrelated and I see a similar practice which made my mind wander to here...)

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              Jacquers
              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              Typically you would want to handle a socket exception different than a general exception. Maybe an oversight in this case that both are handled the same way. Might have been put in there for debugging.

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              • U User 11360346

                They don't occur exactly with the same reason. Off course both catches exception but how each one will occur determine by the actual method logic. Suppose Dosomething() has DB process, then where you will think possible to be catched if error happens. On catch (Exception ex) block and where do you think the socket error will be catched on (SocketException sex). That is why the method logic determine the exception occurence.

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                OriginalGriff
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                #11

                It doesn't matter. Regardless of what exception is thrown, the code executed will be identical. Which means that the separate catch for the "lesser" exception need not be there at all. And if it needed be there, why put it in? All that does is leave a "hole" where duplicated code can become different over time and cause other problems - that's one of the advantages of inheritance: it removes the need to "copy and paste" code by reusing a single method in all derived classes. So if the method needs to be changed, it's in one single place instead of scattered all over the file and prone to being missed when the updates are done.

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                • U User 11360346

                  They don't occur exactly with the same reason. Off course both catches exception but how each one will occur determine by the actual method logic. Suppose Dosomething() has DB process, then where you will think possible to be catched if error happens. On catch (Exception ex) block and where do you think the socket error will be catched on (SocketException sex). That is why the method logic determine the exception occurence.

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                  Sascha Lefevre
                  wrote on last edited by
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                  I assume we're talking past each other. The question isn't if catch blocks catching different types of exceptions can be useful but if it's of any use in this concrete case - which it isn't because the exceptions aren't handled differently.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    It doesn't matter. Regardless of what exception is thrown, the code executed will be identical. Which means that the separate catch for the "lesser" exception need not be there at all. And if it needed be there, why put it in? All that does is leave a "hole" where duplicated code can become different over time and cause other problems - that's one of the advantages of inheritance: it removes the need to "copy and paste" code by reusing a single method in all derived classes. So if the method needs to be changed, it's in one single place instead of scattered all over the file and prone to being missed when the updates are done.

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                    User 11360346
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    We all know that managed .Net exception are derived from Exception class. If you are asking why the rest of derived Exception such as socketexception, Dbexception are created then that is another question. And it won't be necessary to allow multiple catch statement block from the compiler. Off course if you leave/comment out the above socketexception then the error definitely go to exception block, b/c of the reason that I stated above. Onething sure to know here, you can't determine to refactor the code by looking that code only, even we don't know either a SocketException will occur or not. G. Day

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                    • J jeeves77

                      Hi CP community. We hired a guy that did this a while ago. It annoyed me then, and now I have a project that I'm refactoring that lo and behold has it as well. Maybe I'm missing some recommended practice (I googled it), and I don't mean to start a war or anything. I just don't see an obvious use for things like this. The message is the same when a socket error occurs...

                      try
                      {
                      DoSomething();
                      }
                      catch (SocketException e)
                      {
                      Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                      conn.connecting = false;
                      }
                      catch (Exception e)
                      {
                      Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                      conn.connecting = false;
                      }

                      What purpose in life, universe, code, etc... does a practice like this serve?! (Clarification for all of those who've been giving concrete reasons for catching different exception types. I get that. I do that as well. I'm saying that the guy we hired previously would handle several exception types only to do the same thing as the catch-all block. Literally the same thing. Sometimes he would catch a type only to throw it to the main block doing nothing with the specific type. It bugged the hell out of me. Now I'm refactoring another project that is completely unrelated and I see a similar practice which made my mind wander to here...)

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                      CPallini
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #14

                      Well, that could have been more interesting, e.g.

                      catch (SocketException e)
                      {
                      Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                      conn.connecting = false;
                      throw;
                      }
                      catch (Exception e)
                      {
                      Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                      conn.connecting = false;
                      }

                      :omg:

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        There is a recommended practice where you catch the minimum exception you can: SocketException instead of Exception for example, but that code's silly. It's possible that he planned to come back and do something different for the SocketException later and never got round to it, but if that's the case the author still needs a thump upside the head... :laugh:

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                        ZurdoDev
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                        #15

                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        It's possible that he planned to come back and do something different for the SocketException later and never got round to it

                        That was my thought exactly. :thumbsup:

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                        • U User 11360346

                          We all know that managed .Net exception are derived from Exception class. If you are asking why the rest of derived Exception such as socketexception, Dbexception are created then that is another question. And it won't be necessary to allow multiple catch statement block from the compiler. Off course if you leave/comment out the above socketexception then the error definitely go to exception block, b/c of the reason that I stated above. Onething sure to know here, you can't determine to refactor the code by looking that code only, even we don't know either a SocketException will occur or not. G. Day

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                          OriginalGriff
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          It doesn't matter if a SocketException or an AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException occurs with that code: the code that is executed is identical regardless. That is the point. Not that Socket Exceptions are derived from Exception - we all know that - but that having a separate catch block is silly if the code executed is the same anyway! Look at the code. Assume a SocketException occurs in the method. What lines of code are executed? Now assume that a AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException occurs instead. What lines of code are executed? :laugh:

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                            It doesn't matter if a SocketException or an AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException occurs with that code: the code that is executed is identical regardless. That is the point. Not that Socket Exceptions are derived from Exception - we all know that - but that having a separate catch block is silly if the code executed is the same anyway! Look at the code. Assume a SocketException occurs in the method. What lines of code are executed? Now assume that a AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException occurs instead. What lines of code are executed? :laugh:

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                            User 11360346
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #17

                            It does matter, a self ref [^] How do you know the code executed the same ? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE METHOD(Dosomething()) DO. What we know both exception was not utilized as such.

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                            • U User 11360346

                              It does matter, a self ref [^] How do you know the code executed the same ? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE METHOD(Dosomething()) DO. What we know both exception was not utilized as such.

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                              OriginalGriff
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #18

                              Member 11394652 wrote:

                              YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE METHOD(Dosomething()) DO

                              Seriously, it doesn't matter. Look at the code we do have:

                              catch (SocketException e)
                              {
                              Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                              conn.connecting = false;
                              }
                              catch (Exception e)
                              {
                              Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                              conn.connecting = false;
                              }

                              The code in each catch block is identical. :laugh:

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                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              • J jeeves77

                                Hi CP community. We hired a guy that did this a while ago. It annoyed me then, and now I have a project that I'm refactoring that lo and behold has it as well. Maybe I'm missing some recommended practice (I googled it), and I don't mean to start a war or anything. I just don't see an obvious use for things like this. The message is the same when a socket error occurs...

                                try
                                {
                                DoSomething();
                                }
                                catch (SocketException e)
                                {
                                Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                                conn.connecting = false;
                                }
                                catch (Exception e)
                                {
                                Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                                conn.connecting = false;
                                }

                                What purpose in life, universe, code, etc... does a practice like this serve?! (Clarification for all of those who've been giving concrete reasons for catching different exception types. I get that. I do that as well. I'm saying that the guy we hired previously would handle several exception types only to do the same thing as the catch-all block. Literally the same thing. Sometimes he would catch a type only to throw it to the main block doing nothing with the specific type. It bugged the hell out of me. Now I'm refactoring another project that is completely unrelated and I see a similar practice which made my mind wander to here...)

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                                PIEBALDconsult
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                Just useful while debugging; you can have a breakpoint in one block but not the other; but it should be removed afterward.

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Member 11394652 wrote:

                                  YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE METHOD(Dosomething()) DO

                                  Seriously, it doesn't matter. Look at the code we do have:

                                  catch (SocketException e)
                                  {
                                  Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                                  conn.connecting = false;
                                  }
                                  catch (Exception e)
                                  {
                                  Console.WriteLine(e.Message);
                                  conn.connecting = false;
                                  }

                                  The code in each catch block is identical. :laugh:

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                                  User 11360346
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #20

                                  Are you saying the message will always be the same ? This is a trick, If you do get it. :)

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                                  • U User 11360346

                                    They don't occur exactly with the same reason. Off course both catches exception but how each one will occur determine by the actual method logic. Suppose Dosomething() has DB process, then where you will think possible to be catched if error happens. On catch (Exception ex) block and where do you think the socket error will be catched on (SocketException sex). That is why the method logic determine the exception occurence.

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                                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                    #21

                                    Member 11394652 wrote:

                                    SocketException sex

                                    :)

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                                    • U User 11360346

                                      Are you saying the message will always be the same ? This is a trick, If you do get it. :)

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                                      OriginalGriff
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #22

                                      Yes. The message comes from the Exception object, and will the same regardless of which catch block catches it: for a SocketException it will print a socket based message, for an AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException, it will print a message in Klingon. But it is irrelevant which catch block prints it, because they both use the same code to do that. There is only any point in having separate catches if they do different things:

                                      catch (SocketException e)
                                      {
                                      Console.WriteLine("Problem with socket: {0}", e.Message);
                                      conn.connecting = false;
                                      }
                                      catch (Exception e)
                                      {
                                      Console.WriteLine("An unknown error occured: {0}", e.Message);
                                      conn.connecting = false;
                                      }

                                      Or even:

                                      catch (SocketException e)
                                      {
                                      Console.WriteLine("It's life Jim: {0}", e.Message);
                                      conn.connecting = false;
                                      }
                                      catch (AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException e)
                                      {
                                      Console.WriteLine("Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow\nKlingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow Jim!: {0}", e.Message);
                                      conn.connecting = false;
                                      }
                                      catch (Exception e)
                                      {
                                      Console.WriteLine("But not as we know it: {0}", e.Message);
                                      conn.connecting = false;
                                      }

                                      See what we mean?

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Yes. The message comes from the Exception object, and will the same regardless of which catch block catches it: for a SocketException it will print a socket based message, for an AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException, it will print a message in Klingon. But it is irrelevant which catch block prints it, because they both use the same code to do that. There is only any point in having separate catches if they do different things:

                                        catch (SocketException e)
                                        {
                                        Console.WriteLine("Problem with socket: {0}", e.Message);
                                        conn.connecting = false;
                                        }
                                        catch (Exception e)
                                        {
                                        Console.WriteLine("An unknown error occured: {0}", e.Message);
                                        conn.connecting = false;
                                        }

                                        Or even:

                                        catch (SocketException e)
                                        {
                                        Console.WriteLine("It's life Jim: {0}", e.Message);
                                        conn.connecting = false;
                                        }
                                        catch (AliensLandedOnWhiteHouseLawnException e)
                                        {
                                        Console.WriteLine("Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow\nKlingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow Jim!: {0}", e.Message);
                                        conn.connecting = false;
                                        }
                                        catch (Exception e)
                                        {
                                        Console.WriteLine("But not as we know it: {0}", e.Message);
                                        conn.connecting = false;
                                        }

                                        See what we mean?

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                                        User 11360346
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #23

                                        The fact that you still ignore the Dosomething() method do, you generalize that both catches block get the same exception. Even I gave you example that the method might throw DBException and you expect the SocketException get exception based on your assumption.

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                                        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                          Member 11394652 wrote:

                                          SocketException sex

                                          :)

                                          Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:

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                                          :)

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