A russian missile shoot down flight Mh17.. but ... but .. but..
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
does not say is that nearly all the military hardware in the Ukraine is Russian made
It does here, continously. They obviously don't want to call it soviet-technology.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
we need to blame the USA for everyone ISIS kills since they are using american guns
What did the Wikileaks say about the origin of ISIS? :)
Dr Gadgit wrote:
the Dutch investigation has said that the missle was launched from an area that was under kiev's control at the time of the incident.
The Dutch news claimed it was coming from rebel-held area, although they cannot say from where. There was also an article that ridiculed the Russians for claiming that it came from Kiev, since that could be expected.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
we are being feed half truths by our state media.
Do you mean that the government is lying? I am shocked!
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I watch a lot of international news - mostly English versions. I find them all far more biased then US news. On the other hand, I find US news stations (for local consumption) seem to just leave out too much of what's going on in the world. And, of course, we all have our raving lunatics (such as Fox News). DW is better, at least in terms of presenting a neutral picture of what's going on, then SkyNews, BBC, or CNN. I've actually begun to watch DW (German version) and this other streaming station that's only in German to try to pickup up listening skills and get something like a vocabulary and grammar (other than the infamous 'bubble-gum Deutsch'). I note the discrepancy particularly when it involves the Middle East.* But forgetting the details of any particular subject, one type of posting that drives me quite up-the-wall is the endless amount of conspiracies. And if one says otherwise, hears, otherwise, or reads otherwise, it's all just blown over as a cover-up. The old habit of blaming one's ills on 'the outsider' has been a bulwark of European culture since - well - forever. It is rather comfortable to invoke. Criticism of the US is all but constant on the European news. In fact, whilst I had it, CCTV (from PR China) was more even-handed in it's discussion of world events - except those that relate to China in anything but a positive light. One thing I noted, and it makes sense: German news is far more involved with refugees than other stations - and the US has it's own immigrant problems so they mainly stick to the more sensational events. My take, unfortunately, is that Europe is being colonized and cultural assimilation is ever less likely: you guys are so screwed! * Carefully crafted 'lead-ins' to minimize or maximize an event to suit station's needs.
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As promised :)
W∴ Balboos wrote:
On the other hand, I find US news stations (for local consumption) seem to just leave out too much of what's going on in the world.
Well i guess, it's just a guess, that amarica does not want to care so much about rest of the world.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I note the discrepancy particularly when it involves the Middle East.*
Yeah, this is one of the most disturbing things in german media, we do get a "translation" but who the hell knows if it's correct(You couldn't even check because the translator is too loud, you wont hear the original sound). But i experienced some translation issues, when they failed to overlay the OV and there were some mistakes and even changes of the original in it.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
But forgetting the details of any particular subject, one type of posting that drives me quite up-the-wall is the endless amount of conspiracies. And if one says otherwise, hears, otherwise, or reads otherwise, it's all just blown over as a cover-up. The old habit of blaming one's ills on 'the outsider' has been a bulwark of European culture since - well - forever. It is rather comfortable to invoke.
I also hate that, a lot of Europeans hate that but problem is once a theory is born it's in someones mind. BTW it is fairly easy to create one so yeah i understand the amount of it is disturbing. Thank god that 90% are Bullish. But the other 10% do show that not everything they is so wrong.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Criticism of the US is all but constant on the European news. In fact, whilst I had it, CCTV (from PR China) was more even-handed in it's discussion of world events - except those that relate to China in anything but a positive light.
Well i don't know DW, actually we don't even have that in our TV programs. But i can tell you that if there is a comparison between Russia and USA the US always will get praised at while Russia remains the brutal dictorship. For me one of the best examples is the current Syria crisis, Russia gets in, mops up and bombs EVERY terrorist. USA and (NATO) play a little ball there and shoot this off and that but without a proper target. Who gets the blame? Russia, who destabilized this country?...
W∴ Balboos wro
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As promised :)
W∴ Balboos wrote:
On the other hand, I find US news stations (for local consumption) seem to just leave out too much of what's going on in the world.
Well i guess, it's just a guess, that amarica does not want to care so much about rest of the world.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I note the discrepancy particularly when it involves the Middle East.*
Yeah, this is one of the most disturbing things in german media, we do get a "translation" but who the hell knows if it's correct(You couldn't even check because the translator is too loud, you wont hear the original sound). But i experienced some translation issues, when they failed to overlay the OV and there were some mistakes and even changes of the original in it.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
But forgetting the details of any particular subject, one type of posting that drives me quite up-the-wall is the endless amount of conspiracies. And if one says otherwise, hears, otherwise, or reads otherwise, it's all just blown over as a cover-up. The old habit of blaming one's ills on 'the outsider' has been a bulwark of European culture since - well - forever. It is rather comfortable to invoke.
I also hate that, a lot of Europeans hate that but problem is once a theory is born it's in someones mind. BTW it is fairly easy to create one so yeah i understand the amount of it is disturbing. Thank god that 90% are Bullish. But the other 10% do show that not everything they is so wrong.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Criticism of the US is all but constant on the European news. In fact, whilst I had it, CCTV (from PR China) was more even-handed in it's discussion of world events - except those that relate to China in anything but a positive light.
Well i don't know DW, actually we don't even have that in our TV programs. But i can tell you that if there is a comparison between Russia and USA the US always will get praised at while Russia remains the brutal dictorship. For me one of the best examples is the current Syria crisis, Russia gets in, mops up and bombs EVERY terrorist. USA and (NATO) play a little ball there and shoot this off and that but without a proper target. Who gets the blame? Russia, who destabilized this country?...
W∴ Balboos wro
Selected responses - too much to do today.
HobbyProggy wrote:
Well i guess, it's just a guess, that amarica does not want to care so much about rest of the world.
It's really more of a what information is presented. There is, after all, no choice in the matter. You just pick networks/affiliates and/or local stations and get their version of the story. The rest is take-it-or-leave-it. These days, the 'presenters' are mainly just talking heads. Once upon a time they were actually smart people.
HobbyProggy wrote:
in german media, we do get a "translation" but who the hell knows if it's correct
Aside from that, what I observed with two back-to-back international news shows, was the same item presented twice. First it was DW, and then BBC. BBC didn't quite lie - but left out key information that completely changed the context. Lies by omission seems to be the heart and soul of British news. Case in point: I watch i24 news along with the other overseas broadcasts (http://www.i24news.tv/en/[^] english). There was an item (a few days ago) about a mother and two girls in a car that was hit by a Molotov cocktail thrown by a Palestinian. All three were hurt, the four your old more seriously than the others. Since this could not be twisted in any way to get sympathy for the Palestinians it simply wasn't on any other news stream. No way to lead into the story with what amounts to an excuse for attacking innocent people at random. If you want to know the root of this terror I recommend you look up the Hebron Massacre - this from the 1929. The same old story: unfounded incitement by the Islamic clergy. Brutal attacks against innocents. It gives you a different perspective on what's really going on now when you realize that they did it before and didn't have the current excuses. It was also done in 1517. Now, along with true asylum seekers, these blood thirsty maniacs are colonizing your country. You article, which will take me a while to understand, is something of which I was totally unaware: Sunni/Shiite party games on your soil!
HobbyProggy wrote:
So for my part i just hope it ends fast, because Germany has now 2 REAL options
I fear that it's going to be as you say - although the first b
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Selected responses - too much to do today.
HobbyProggy wrote:
Well i guess, it's just a guess, that amarica does not want to care so much about rest of the world.
It's really more of a what information is presented. There is, after all, no choice in the matter. You just pick networks/affiliates and/or local stations and get their version of the story. The rest is take-it-or-leave-it. These days, the 'presenters' are mainly just talking heads. Once upon a time they were actually smart people.
HobbyProggy wrote:
in german media, we do get a "translation" but who the hell knows if it's correct
Aside from that, what I observed with two back-to-back international news shows, was the same item presented twice. First it was DW, and then BBC. BBC didn't quite lie - but left out key information that completely changed the context. Lies by omission seems to be the heart and soul of British news. Case in point: I watch i24 news along with the other overseas broadcasts (http://www.i24news.tv/en/[^] english). There was an item (a few days ago) about a mother and two girls in a car that was hit by a Molotov cocktail thrown by a Palestinian. All three were hurt, the four your old more seriously than the others. Since this could not be twisted in any way to get sympathy for the Palestinians it simply wasn't on any other news stream. No way to lead into the story with what amounts to an excuse for attacking innocent people at random. If you want to know the root of this terror I recommend you look up the Hebron Massacre - this from the 1929. The same old story: unfounded incitement by the Islamic clergy. Brutal attacks against innocents. It gives you a different perspective on what's really going on now when you realize that they did it before and didn't have the current excuses. It was also done in 1517. Now, along with true asylum seekers, these blood thirsty maniacs are colonizing your country. You article, which will take me a while to understand, is something of which I was totally unaware: Sunni/Shiite party games on your soil!
HobbyProggy wrote:
So for my part i just hope it ends fast, because Germany has now 2 REAL options
I fear that it's going to be as you say - although the first b
W∴ Balboos wrote:
It's really more of a what information is presented.
Sure it is, but i feel like the media should be aware of what is about the inhabitants of a country and what they should know. It's abvious you can't get all the info within 15 minutes. But i guess that if they use material of others it should be statet as such and also the own view of the situation should be statet as such. It often feels like their opinion is the only allowed by cutting down crucial information.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
but left out key information that completely changed the context.
That is the worst case and i guess this is the reason why so many theroies are comming up. And from my perspective such things should not happen.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You article, which will take me a while to understand,
I hope you already got a little into it. Because on the "news" (actually a news magazine of a private tv program) i yesterday saw the next big thing. They throw away their id to fool the system and pretend they are underaged (but are roughly around 25-30Y old) so they get better treatment.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I fear that it's going to be as you say - although the first blows are more likely to occur elsewhere in Europe.
The first blows are already striking if you get intel from sweden, also goverment changes to right wing (German for nazis) in Poland, France and others are just a first step to the next catastrophe.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
(what may already be obvious: I no longer have cable television, I stream it all - I get to hear everyone's lies on-demand!).
A good choice after all :) But to get back to the topic. MH-17 was shot down by a BUK, that is something that seems quite clear after all now but they still can't make out who shot it, because basically the estimated lauch position seems to be on "russian" side but also could have been occupied by "rebels". AFAIK. But I think we both can agree on forced diss- or missinformation of the main media according to our experience.
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