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    In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      What is a LaTeX editor plugin supposed to do anyway? It's typically just edited as plaintext, maybe some syntax highlighting if you want to be fancy..

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Sander Rossel wrote:

        I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer.

        Depending on the field you are in... if you are developing 3D games or you are in the robotics field it is more than possible you'll need math. In a lot of other cases, though, they are not needed at all...

        [www.tamautomation.com] | Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing. [YouTube channel]

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          Nevertheless mathematics can be fascinating. I'll read your blog about it with pleasure. Unfortunately, I can't help for the LaTex-plugin thing :s

          I never finish anyth

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            If you develope CRUD in any of its forms, or plain web applications, or just another UI I agree with you. Enter in robotics, movement, predictions, big data analysis, operating systems, chemical reaction control plants, scientific environments, telecommunications control, signal analysis, 3D, CAD, CAM, nuclear plants... and without math you're basically nothing. It all depends on the field, I know many programmers who don't need math - I lurk on the other side, despite my knowledge of math is not what I expect from myself.

            GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              You need to be math heavy if you move into data mining or artificial intelligence; which is computer science. Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science. Don't know about LaTex, except you should not use lube with them. I'm old and used to have to look up those symbols in PowerPoint.

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                I'm not mad keen on maths; the last time I did anything that amounted to more than simple arithmetic/basic maths was in a previous century. I can't be certain it was the 20th. :-)

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  In two weeks I'd have a math test. I paid dearly for it and if I don't pass the test I'll pay dearly again. And I'm hating math so much that I don't even care about the money anymore... I'm just not doing any more math and I'm certainly not doing the test! :mad: I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer. I do need to know math to get my degree though, so I've decided to do things a little different from what I've been doing... To like and understand math I'm going to blog about it. That's right, I'm going to face math, look it in the uhhh... pi, and write it down for myself and others. And by doing so I hope I'll start liking it as I have the freedom to figure it all out at my own pace and write about the things I like about it. And then maybe I can have another look at that math test in a year or so. I'm a bit concerned about LaTeX though (never used it before). WordPress does have out of the box LaTeX support, but does anyone know a good and free LaTeX editor plugin? I'm not looking forward to looking up all those character codes to write a single formula... :~

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  Summoning all my arrogance, I ask myself how someone can get so emotional about a simple logical thing as a math test. Any human being with a maximum of one X chromosome gets emotional only if the test is not callenging enough. Seriously, math is logical. No opinions or interpretations. If you really understand the underlying logic, then the test will actually be boring. Seeing the connection between abstract definitions and actual problems may be hard, but once ypu got that you will never fail a math test again.

                  The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                  This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                  "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    You need to be math heavy if you move into data mining or artificial intelligence; which is computer science. Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science. Don't know about LaTex, except you should not use lube with them. I'm old and used to have to look up those symbols in PowerPoint.

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                    jgakenhe wrote:

                    Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science.

                    Not sure where you got this idea, but it's certainly not true. I know experienced developers who work(ed) for both companies who couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.

                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                    • J Joan M

                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                      I don't think I have to know math to be a good (or even great) developer.

                      Depending on the field you are in... if you are developing 3D games or you are in the robotics field it is more than possible you'll need math. In a lot of other cases, though, they are not needed at all...

                      [www.tamautomation.com] | Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing. [YouTube channel]

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                      Joan Murt wrote:

                      In a lot of other cases, though, they are not needed at all

                      I'm in that lot :laugh:

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                        jgakenhe wrote:

                        Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science.

                        Not sure where you got this idea, but it's certainly not true. I know experienced developers who work(ed) for both companies who couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                        I read it. I read it many times in online articles. You want to be in AI or some analytical department where the big money is, you're going to need a PhD or MS with a bunch of certs. You want to be a QA or junior to mid developer, a B.S. is enough.

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                          If you develope CRUD in any of its forms, or plain web applications, or just another UI I agree with you. Enter in robotics, movement, predictions, big data analysis, operating systems, chemical reaction control plants, scientific environments, telecommunications control, signal analysis, 3D, CAD, CAM, nuclear plants... and without math you're basically nothing. It all depends on the field, I know many programmers who don't need math - I lurk on the other side, despite my knowledge of math is not what I expect from myself.

                          GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey

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                          den2k88 wrote:

                          Enter in robotics, movement, predictions, big data analysis, operating systems, chemical reaction control plants, scientific environments, telecommunications control, signal analysis, 3D, CAD, CAM, nuclear plants... and without math you're basically nothing.

                          Yeah, I'm not doing those ;p

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                            Joan Murt wrote:

                            In a lot of other cases, though, they are not needed at all

                            I'm in that lot :laugh:

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                            You are lucky then... :laugh:

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                              jgakenhe wrote:

                              Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science.

                              Not sure where you got this idea, but it's certainly not true. I know experienced developers who work(ed) for both companies who couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.

                              If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                              Kevin Marois wrote:

                              couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off

                              I'm sure they got cold feet! ;p

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

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                                jgakenhe wrote:

                                Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science.

                                Not sure where you got this idea, but it's certainly not true. I know experienced developers who work(ed) for both companies who couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.

                                If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                                Kevin Marois wrote:

                                couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.

                                Arithmetic != Maths. ;P


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                                  You need to be math heavy if you move into data mining or artificial intelligence; which is computer science. Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science. Don't know about LaTex, except you should not use lube with them. I'm old and used to have to look up those symbols in PowerPoint.

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                                  Yeah, I reckon math (and a degree) can really help your career. Although it's not really the programming that requires math, it's the ultimate application that needs it. It's a bit lame to say, but non-mathy people could probably write very complex mathematical systems if some mathematician did the math for them :)

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                    Summoning all my arrogance, I ask myself how someone can get so emotional about a simple logical thing as a math test. Any human being with a maximum of one X chromosome gets emotional only if the test is not callenging enough. Seriously, math is logical. No opinions or interpretations. If you really understand the underlying logic, then the test will actually be boring. Seeing the connection between abstract definitions and actual problems may be hard, but once ypu got that you will never fail a math test again.

                                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                    CDP1802 wrote:

                                    math is logical

                                    I've never seen anything that made less sense than math...

                                    CDP1802 wrote:

                                    how someone can get so emotional about a simple logical thing as a math test

                                    Me too, but math really gets me angry, sad and desperate... I can do it for a while, but when I have to study for weeks before a test it really stresses me out to a point where it's really not worth the trouble any more. Math is really the only thing that I know of that does that to me.

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                      What is a LaTeX editor plugin supposed to do anyway? It's typically just edited as plaintext, maybe some syntax highlighting if you want to be fancy..

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                                      harold aptroot wrote:

                                      What is a LaTeX editor plugin supposed to do anyway? It's typically just edited as plaintext

                                      Maybe make it so that I don't have to edit it as plain text? Kind of like an HTML editor, so you don't have to type your own markup?

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                                        I'm not mad keen on maths; the last time I did anything that amounted to more than simple arithmetic/basic maths was in a previous century. I can't be certain it was the 20th. :-)

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                                        R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

                                        in a previous century. I can't be certain it was the 20th.

                                        You're either really old or really bad at math ;p

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

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                                          Nevertheless mathematics can be fascinating. I'll read your blog about it with pleasure. Unfortunately, I can't help for the LaTex-plugin thing :s

                                          I never finish anyth

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                                          phil.o wrote:

                                          Nevertheless mathematics can be facinating.

                                          Funny thing, but I agree :laugh:

                                          phil.o wrote:

                                          I'll read your blog about it with pleasure

                                          Thanks! :) I'm hoping to start soon. I'll keep it simple so even I can understand it ;)

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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