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  • L Lost User

    My usual interview technique is to have a chat with the interviewee, very informal. Explain the job to them, talk about what they've done and generally have what I believe is known as "a discussion" I am interviewing this week, and HR are telling me now that: They need to be in the interview. I have to ask a set of written-down questions "Where do you see yourself in 3 years" sort of stuff. I need to give them a 'positive view of the company' including an overview of the structure (who owns what etc. rather than who's who's boss) The person I am interviewing will report to me. It was suggested that, if I couldn't make it at the time the interview was booked, that was fine they'd interview without me. Has the world turned mad! We are looking for a Test Analyst because our current single Test Analyst is trying to test thr output from about 16 developers - which is an impossible task, obviously. So it was then suggested we could get a college leaver & the current Test Analyst could train them! Oh, yes, in her copious spare time! Yes; the world is indeed turned mad. The single most important factor for anyone working in my team is that they fit into the team. Sure they also need the tech skills but fitting in is most important. In a prev. company I used to do a 2nd 1/2 of the interview with the team - usually over coffee - where the prospective candidate (only the one's I thought would be a good fit) would chat to the team - who would tell them all about the job, the company, good bits and bad bits. It was very successful - everyone had buy in on new recruits, the new recruits had a better idea of what they were getting into - and it proved very successful. I suggested doing that in this company, and you'd have thought I'd suggested performing ritualistic disemboweling of a sheep on the boardroom table! "TALK!? to the TEAM?!" Not sure how much more I can take!

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    Is this in the Health Industry by chance? I remember where in Cane Toad Land you are and a quick Google throws up lots of ads for what I reckon is 1 or 2 jobs in that area of the world for testers.

    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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      My usual interview technique is to have a chat with the interviewee, very informal. Explain the job to them, talk about what they've done and generally have what I believe is known as "a discussion" I am interviewing this week, and HR are telling me now that: They need to be in the interview. I have to ask a set of written-down questions "Where do you see yourself in 3 years" sort of stuff. I need to give them a 'positive view of the company' including an overview of the structure (who owns what etc. rather than who's who's boss) The person I am interviewing will report to me. It was suggested that, if I couldn't make it at the time the interview was booked, that was fine they'd interview without me. Has the world turned mad! We are looking for a Test Analyst because our current single Test Analyst is trying to test thr output from about 16 developers - which is an impossible task, obviously. So it was then suggested we could get a college leaver & the current Test Analyst could train them! Oh, yes, in her copious spare time! Yes; the world is indeed turned mad. The single most important factor for anyone working in my team is that they fit into the team. Sure they also need the tech skills but fitting in is most important. In a prev. company I used to do a 2nd 1/2 of the interview with the team - usually over coffee - where the prospective candidate (only the one's I thought would be a good fit) would chat to the team - who would tell them all about the job, the company, good bits and bad bits. It was very successful - everyone had buy in on new recruits, the new recruits had a better idea of what they were getting into - and it proved very successful. I suggested doing that in this company, and you'd have thought I'd suggested performing ritualistic disemboweling of a sheep on the boardroom table! "TALK!? to the TEAM?!" Not sure how much more I can take!

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      Wait ... you have someone testing stuff before it's released? And now you want to double up? No wonder HR are suspicious! ;P

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      • G Garth J Lancaster

        you've been peeking huh ?

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        I believe it's called "Beijing" these days. And you missed the preposition. :-D

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        • L Lost User

          Is this in the Health Industry by chance? I remember where in Cane Toad Land you are and a quick Google throws up lots of ads for what I reckon is 1 or 2 jobs in that area of the world for testers.

          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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          No - that's not us. Our ads went in a while ago - just long delays in getting interviewees in due to HR help

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          • W WiganLatics

            I'll try anything once ... except incest and Morris Dancing.

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            I did Morris Dancing at primary school. The teacher was accordion player for the local troop and used to get her husband to come in and make us do it.

            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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            • L Lost User

              Retro fitting unit tests into existing (poor) code is just too hard, costly and tends to result in poor test coverage vs cost. Automatic regression testing -sure. And who's going to set the tests up? Oh! the tester; but wait - the tester is too busy doing testing!!!!!!!!!!!

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              _Maxxx_ wrote:

              Retro fitting unit tests into existing (poor) code is just too hard, costly and tends to result in poor test coverage vs cost.

              This is the exact problem we have right now, along with one of the senior devs (who happens to be the scrum master of the largest team) viewing unit tests as a waste of his precious time.

              The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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              • L Lost User

                My usual interview technique is to have a chat with the interviewee, very informal. Explain the job to them, talk about what they've done and generally have what I believe is known as "a discussion" I am interviewing this week, and HR are telling me now that: They need to be in the interview. I have to ask a set of written-down questions "Where do you see yourself in 3 years" sort of stuff. I need to give them a 'positive view of the company' including an overview of the structure (who owns what etc. rather than who's who's boss) The person I am interviewing will report to me. It was suggested that, if I couldn't make it at the time the interview was booked, that was fine they'd interview without me. Has the world turned mad! We are looking for a Test Analyst because our current single Test Analyst is trying to test thr output from about 16 developers - which is an impossible task, obviously. So it was then suggested we could get a college leaver & the current Test Analyst could train them! Oh, yes, in her copious spare time! Yes; the world is indeed turned mad. The single most important factor for anyone working in my team is that they fit into the team. Sure they also need the tech skills but fitting in is most important. In a prev. company I used to do a 2nd 1/2 of the interview with the team - usually over coffee - where the prospective candidate (only the one's I thought would be a good fit) would chat to the team - who would tell them all about the job, the company, good bits and bad bits. It was very successful - everyone had buy in on new recruits, the new recruits had a better idea of what they were getting into - and it proved very successful. I suggested doing that in this company, and you'd have thought I'd suggested performing ritualistic disemboweling of a sheep on the boardroom table! "TALK!? to the TEAM?!" Not sure how much more I can take!

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                THE Team, that is you I guess.

                it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.

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                • C chriselst

                  I did Morris Dancing at primary school. The teacher was accordion player for the local troop and used to get her husband to come in and make us do it.

                  Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                  Sounds like you enjoyed every stick smashing part of it :-D

                  Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON

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                  • C CMullikin

                    _Maxxx_ wrote:

                    Retro fitting unit tests into existing (poor) code is just too hard, costly and tends to result in poor test coverage vs cost.

                    This is the exact problem we have right now, along with one of the senior devs (who happens to be the scrum master of the largest team) viewing unit tests as a waste of his precious time.

                    The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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                    I don't have a real opinion on the usefulness of unit tests, having never worked anywhere where they succesfuly used them. One of the teams here write unit tests that access real data from a database, perform a myriad of updates and gets to check updates have happened etc. It appears to me this happens because the code developed is not test friendly - so we end up with tests that require a db server, specific datasets installed etc - and are slow as all buggery! And the released code is still of poor quality!

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                    • L Lost User

                      I don't have a real opinion on the usefulness of unit tests, having never worked anywhere where they succesfuly used them. One of the teams here write unit tests that access real data from a database, perform a myriad of updates and gets to check updates have happened etc. It appears to me this happens because the code developed is not test friendly - so we end up with tests that require a db server, specific datasets installed etc - and are slow as all buggery! And the released code is still of poor quality!

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                      That's not a unit test, that's an integration text. My previous job implemented a 80% code coverage rule on a system that had no unit test (or test friendly code) on there. So even if you changes a single character in a method, you needed at least %80 code coverage. Very mixed opionions on the usefulness but after a number of years and after we tied the tests into TFS's nightly builds, it really started to pay dividends. It's a real tough start but I'm all for it. I remember someone wrote a unit integration test that only worked the 4th time is was run because it needed the other tests to populate the DB with enough test accounts for it to work :wtf:

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