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  • N Nitron

    Paul Watson wrote: You have a very wrong idea about what and how atheists think then. I was refering to secular atheism in particular. http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml[^] http://www.secular.org/aboutsca.html[^] I was not intending to be in contrast with other flavors of atheism, so I apologise :rose:. But again, a discussion for a different day. :rose: - Nitron


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    Nitron wrote: I was not intending to be in contrast with other flavors of atheism, so I apologise . But again, a discussion for a different day. Indeed. I never realised there were flavours of atheism that were, well, so damned religous in their ways. Some of those chaps I read about in the links you provided sound like they are very troubled and are trying to create organised religion without God. Not what I like at all, certainly not how "I go about atheism." Amazing stuff, thanks.

    Paul Watson
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    Cape Town, South Africa

    Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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      Nitron wrote: random firings of neurons that can be duplicated by consuming lots of cholocate. I like :-) Now to the point... I'm an atheist, I like being one, it makes me feel stronger to be one. But Love/Marriage is one of the things I do agree with when it comes to religion. On an ethical side, Family structure is a crucial thing when it comes to emotional stability. The person who grows up in a close-loving family of traditional mother-father parental roles with families growing exponentially, will have a better grounding in deeling with themselves. Believe me, I come from one such family. My parents are still married and will be untill the day they die. Wheras I know people who have never had a father or mother, they are to me, incomplete. Usually in the form of unruly behavior or generally 'not-fitting in'. Marriage is the thing that binds families, it is supposed to be a very strong bond that is to be undertaken seriously. Religion aside, a marriage is a pact between two human beings to stay together, through and through, to divorce is either to have rushed into it without fully understanding each other, or to break a promise to each other. Another thing, you could not be more wrong about how atheists persive the world. We don't admit we know everything, we just don't rely on circumstantial evidence to 'prove' things or account for things we do not know yet.


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      Jonny Newman wrote: Another thing, you could not be more wrong about how atheists persive the world. In my response to Paul above[^], I stated I was referring to the secular flavor of atheism. Where in their welcoming doctrine[^] they state: "Our goal is to defend and promote a nontheistic worldview which holds that the natural world is all there is, a closed system in no need of a supernatural explanation and sufficient unto itself." I guess it is possible I have misinterpreted that, but I don't claim to be a master of religion, nor did I intend to imply the beliefs of other flavors of atheism. :rose: - Nitron


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        Jonny Newman wrote: Another thing, you could not be more wrong about how atheists persive the world. In my response to Paul above[^], I stated I was referring to the secular flavor of atheism. Where in their welcoming doctrine[^] they state: "Our goal is to defend and promote a nontheistic worldview which holds that the natural world is all there is, a closed system in no need of a supernatural explanation and sufficient unto itself." I guess it is possible I have misinterpreted that, but I don't claim to be a master of religion, nor did I intend to imply the beliefs of other flavors of atheism. :rose: - Nitron


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        Nitron wrote: "Our goal is to defend and promote a nontheistic worldview which holds that the natural world is all there is, a closed system in no need of a supernatural explanation and sufficient unto itself." Reminds me of this[^] Just read the 'Statement of Principles'


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        • J Jeremy Falcon

          Yes Paul, I made the post this long for you. Anyone else on CP that wants to listen is very welcome to. :) The cold, hard truth on attraction... Out of all the people I've ever met in my entire life (it's been a few), more times than not, it's the chick in the relationship that's unhappy with it and bitchy. I've seen a couple relationships the other way around, but that's only by the infamous "asshole" types that some of my ex-acquaintances of the past and I know of. Most male saps jump when the chick says to - sad but true. Masculine is attracted to feminine and vice versa. That's the laws of nature. You can't have a sissy guy and a chick together and expect to be happy - just settled for. You can't have a butch-chick and a macho guy together either. And, I'm talking about in attitude also, not just the physical aspect. There are a lot of "settled-for" relationships because women don't know what they really want and most guys are sissies. You don't seem to find as many strong, burly, macho-type men these days thanks to growing technology and all-around laziness of people. Consequently, some of the masculine machoness is robbed. And, you can't tell me girls don't like that crap because I have personally had a butt load of girls and guys alike that just love to stare at my chest - even at places like work and the mall! And chicks love to look at guys in the gym just as much as the guys love to look at chicks (the problem is guys stare). So, I speak with experience here. Like Freud said, everything revolves around sex (and I believe the ego too, but they are semi-related anyway). You don't see girls dreaming of sissies, and you don't see guys dreaming of fat chicks - period. Anyone that says otherwise is lying to make their own position in life seem better because they are too lazy to do something about it. If a girl is with her dream guy, she's going to want to stay. If a guy is with his dream girl, he's going to want to stay - end of story. Anything else is just "settled-for", whether it be due to insecurities, learned social traits/habits, or whatever. So, what makes a dream partner? The combination of the physical AND emotional (like personality) things each person needs. You can't have one without the other; otherwise, it's being settled for. Just to help my point along. You can have a macho-type guy that is too much of an asshole. Let's say he's abusive. Then his personality sucks, a nice body won't do much good as far as attraction goes, etc. So, you see, it goes both ways. The re

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          Jeremy Falcon wrote: P.S. Here's some info that's invaluable for guys (if they choose to listen). Any woman will never-ever be deep-down, hard-rooted attracted to a guy that they can control. PPS. On the other hand, women will rarely stay involved with a guy they can't control. Thus discontentment is inevitable.

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            I'm all for extensive pre-nuptual counselling being mandatory for any couple thinking of tying the knot. Make sure they are compatable, both with each other and with the relationship itself. It's funny how people are forced to take 4-8 years of career training before they are allowed to practice their occupation of choice, law, medicince, whatever, but when it comes to a life-long choice like marriage or parenthood, any idiot with gentials can sign up and ruin someone's life with no training at all.

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            I just want to make myself heard: I disagree totally with what you have said. Mainly because I am a romantic, but also because I believe it won't help. Things change afterall.

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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              Jeremy Falcon wrote: P.S. Here's some info that's invaluable for guys (if they choose to listen). Any woman will never-ever be deep-down, hard-rooted attracted to a guy that they can control. PPS. On the other hand, women will rarely stay involved with a guy they can't control. Thus discontentment is inevitable.

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              BTW I think Jeremy made a typo and meant to say "attracted to a guy that they can't control." i.e. What you just said. Correct me if I am wrong Jeremy.

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

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              • J Jon Newman

                Nitron wrote: "Our goal is to defend and promote a nontheistic worldview which holds that the natural world is all there is, a closed system in no need of a supernatural explanation and sufficient unto itself." Reminds me of this[^] Just read the 'Statement of Principles'


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                Jonny Newman wrote: Reminds me of this[^] Just read the 'Statement of Principles' :confused: Was this reply intended for me? If so, don't get it. :~ I thought we were talking about divorce, which accidentally slipped on the floor of religion, but bumping my head on the wall of politics?! :confused: How did we end up there? - Nitron


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                  Simple enough question: What do you attribute the spiralling divorce rate in modern society to? Nish's chauvenistic* post below and his reply that India values of repressing women are the reason for the low divorce rate in India. I thought I would ask for your opinion before replying. :) * however unintended

                  Paul Watson
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                  Paul Watson wrote: * however unintended Thanks Paul. I am feeling very disturbed at how easily so many people who know me for over an year totally failed to understand me. Thanks for this clarification :-) Nish


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                    Nitron wrote: "Our goal is to defend and promote a nontheistic worldview which holds that the natural world is all there is, a closed system in no need of a supernatural explanation and sufficient unto itself." Reminds me of this[^] Just read the 'Statement of Principles'


                    "How long has the "Quote Selected Text" been around???"
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                    "But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
                    - Chris Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03


                    Jonathan 'nonny' Newman
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                    Jonny Newman wrote: Reminds me of this[^] My god! That is exactly what so many non-Americans are fighting against. Scary stuff. I hope there is an American on CP who agrees with that policy, just so we can pick his brains and see just why and how the hell he thinks.

                    Paul Watson
                    Bluegrass
                    Cape Town, South Africa

                    Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                      Paul Watson wrote: * however unintended Thanks Paul. I am feeling very disturbed at how easily so many people who know me for over an year totally failed to understand me. Thanks for this clarification :-) Nish


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                      Nishant S wrote: Thanks for this clarification No problem Nish. I have always thought you were a closet chauvenist anyway. ;P

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

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                        Simple enough question: What do you attribute the spiralling divorce rate in modern society to? Nish's chauvenistic* post below and his reply that India values of repressing women are the reason for the low divorce rate in India. I thought I would ask for your opinion before replying. :) * however unintended

                        Paul Watson
                        Bluegrass
                        Cape Town, South Africa

                        Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                        By the way, shouldn't that be :- Couple->Divorce(); ;-) Nish


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                        • K Kevnar

                          Simply put, a divorce is the evetual result of a marriage that never should have happened in the first place. Figure out why people marry the wrong person to begin with and you'll have the tools to solve the divorce problem.

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                          Kevnar wrote: Figure out why people marry the wrong person to begin with and you'll have the tools to solve the divorce problem. Now who is being naive? :-D People will always make mistakes, even with something as monumental as marriage. Knowing all the answers, checks, starting variables etc. etc. etc. won't prevent failed marriages. Not taking what you said to extremes though (i.e. 0% divorce) then you are right.

                          Paul Watson
                          Bluegrass
                          Cape Town, South Africa

                          Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                            Nishant S wrote: Thanks for this clarification No problem Nish. I have always thought you were a closet chauvenist anyway. ;P

                            Paul Watson
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                            Paul Watson wrote: No problem Nish. I have always thought you were a closet chauvenist anyway. LOL Uhm well however much we try, we'll never ever fully understand the thoughts and acts of an alien culture. Thats basically what happened here. It might shock you to know that back in Trivandrum I was considered a radical guy because I said I preferred my mom to be a working woman. Most of the guys in my school had house wife moms and couldnt imagine anything else. Nish


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                              loss of stigma associated with divorce. -c


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                              Associated with that (in most cases) is the loss of stigma when someone fails to live up to his or her promises, commitments, contracts, etc. For some reason the promise to love each other "until death do us part" isn't taken very seriously any more. John :D

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                                By the way, shouldn't that be :- Couple->Divorce(); ;-) Nish


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                                I thought the general opinion is that C++ is perfect and therefore would never need a Divorce method. Therefore my code was VB... ;) BTW in reply to your other post I just want to say I grew up around a lot of Indians. While that does not make me Indian nor does it make me an expert I can sympathise quite strongly with what you are saying from having seen Indian friends going through and thinking the same things. Many of their parents were India born, moved to SA and kept their strict traditions (arranged marriages, caste system etc.) So in short I understand better why the way you are, I just don't agree with it. Am sure there are plenty of western ways you are appalled by, that you disagree with but which you understand why they are they way they are.

                                Paul Watson
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                                Cape Town, South Africa

                                Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                                  Simple enough question: What do you attribute the spiralling divorce rate in modern society to? Nish's chauvenistic* post below and his reply that India values of repressing women are the reason for the low divorce rate in India. I thought I would ask for your opinion before replying. :) * however unintended

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                                  To me it is a lack of understanding the commitment, laziness, and a lack of clear expectations up front. Also, I think a lot of people today just don't want to argue with their spouse, which is very necessary in my opinion. Far too many people expect marriage to be easy and without challenge. They just think it will just work without daily effort to make one another happy or feel needed. I also think people tend to mary people who will not challenge them mentally on a constant basis. This was very important for me, I was never seriously attracted to a woman who wasn't smarter than me. The word abbreviation is awfully long for what it means.

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                                    I thought the general opinion is that C++ is perfect and therefore would never need a Divorce method. Therefore my code was VB... ;) BTW in reply to your other post I just want to say I grew up around a lot of Indians. While that does not make me Indian nor does it make me an expert I can sympathise quite strongly with what you are saying from having seen Indian friends going through and thinking the same things. Many of their parents were India born, moved to SA and kept their strict traditions (arranged marriages, caste system etc.) So in short I understand better why the way you are, I just don't agree with it. Am sure there are plenty of western ways you are appalled by, that you disagree with but which you understand why they are they way they are.

                                    Paul Watson
                                    Bluegrass
                                    Cape Town, South Africa

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                                    Paul Watson wrote: So in short I understand better why the way you are, I know. I was tellin this to a friend of mine earlier, about how your empathy powers are amazing! By the way the Indians you see aboroad will not be anything like the Indians who live in India. The moment they step into foreign soil their mind sets begin changing slowly. So you better realize that till you come and live here for a few months you wont really grasp the thinking here. Paul Watson wrote: Am sure there are plenty of western ways you are appalled by, that you disagree with but which you understand why they are they way they are. Yup! Lots and lots :-) Nish


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                                      Paul Watson wrote: Girls have had whacked out ideas about marriage long before the wedding industry blossomed. Yeah, like "close your eyes and think of the country" :cool: (conveyed advice of the english in 18th or 19th century about the wedding night)


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                                      peterchen wrote: Yeah, like "close your eyes and think of the country" I shouldn't laugh but :laugh: How terrible. Sex, making love is just the most glorious thing, for all involved, not just the male. If I were female that alone would piss me off enough to want to get my due from the men.

                                      Paul Watson
                                      Bluegrass
                                      Cape Town, South Africa

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                                        BTW I think Jeremy made a typo and meant to say "attracted to a guy that they can't control." i.e. What you just said. Correct me if I am wrong Jeremy.

                                        Paul Watson
                                        Bluegrass
                                        Cape Town, South Africa

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                                        Nope, I meant can. :) And, there is psychology behind it too. A woman's genetic coding stipulates that she is a caretaker. I'm sure you know by now that women don't like to make all the decisions, but they don't want to be controlled at the same time. Women are much better suited for things like endless patience, and care taking, so they can assume a motherly type role. Remember, the goal of any species (even ours) is to reproduce. Also, women love to "improve" things regardless of their current state. They love the idea of taking a "bad" guy and making husband material out of him. This is also another reason they love to decorate - they are "improving" their home. They try to make something out of nothing, and love to “help”. So, they'll be happy to make a husband out of someone they can help if they have the potential (make money, etc.) to be a good husband and provider, after all they put a lot of effort into this person. They are trying to mold the person (aka control), but they don’t think they are controlling. That’s the key point to remember! They don’t think they are! But, when you are in this position, she has basically assumed a motherly-type role with you. If you cannot be controlled, she’ll wish she could, fantasize about it, etc. and it goes from there. And, I do mean sexually too. Women don’t really believe physical and emotional stimulations are exclusive. To them, you can’t have one without the other – even for a one-night stand. They all say sex is love when it comes to their partner. There are exceptions to everything, but this tends to hold true in damn near every case. And I have questioned many different chicks (Yvette, Jeru – yeah that’s her name, Brandy, Ashley, Nancy, etc to name a few) about this stuff too to help confirm my ideas. So, if you want to make her wet when she thinks of you, don’t let her subconsciously think she’s your mother. Be the man, stay in control, but don’t be controlling. Don’t let her change you, and she’ll keep you on the fantasy list. Jeremy Falcon

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                                          Simple enough question: What do you attribute the spiralling divorce rate in modern society to? Nish's chauvenistic* post below and his reply that India values of repressing women are the reason for the low divorce rate in India. I thought I would ask for your opinion before replying. :) * however unintended

                                          Paul Watson
                                          Bluegrass
                                          Cape Town, South Africa

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                                          Well speaking from my endless knowledge on such matters I'd attribute seventy to eighty percent to weak characters. People certainly don't seem to want to put the effort into life anymore. :(


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