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  • M Marc Clifton

    Ask them: 1. So, when do I get to review YOUR performance? 2. By what objective criteria do you review performance? 3. If my performance did not exceed your expectations, who's fault is that REALLY? 4. If my performance exceeded your expectations, who else contributed to that success? 4 is always and interesting question because it will reveal whether your boss is tuned in to how well (or not) the team is functioning. Then again, you may elect not to ask any of those questions. ;) Marc

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    Sander Rossel
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    I already joked about 1 :laugh: 3 can be very true, but is also very tricky... Let's put it this way, my code didn't break because someone else did a really good job writing theirs. And of course my code breaking is my responsibility, but it would be a lot easier to take that responsibility if I wasn't having spaghetti every day. Well, theoretically :D My boss (he doesn't like that word) is actually pretty much in tune with the team, he's actually just part of the team. He helps with issues, discusses on a developer's level, and is open for idea's. I'm pretty lucky to have him as a manager :D

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    • M Marc Clifton

      Ask them: 1. So, when do I get to review YOUR performance? 2. By what objective criteria do you review performance? 3. If my performance did not exceed your expectations, who's fault is that REALLY? 4. If my performance exceeded your expectations, who else contributed to that success? 4 is always and interesting question because it will reveal whether your boss is tuned in to how well (or not) the team is functioning. Then again, you may elect not to ask any of those questions. ;) Marc

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      Dan Neely
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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      • So, when do I get to review YOUR performance?

      If I wanted to stir the pot, I can submit feedback on anyone at my employer up to and including the CEO. OTOH, even if I gave the big boss a good review I'm not sure that the attention I'd get by doing so would be beneficial.

      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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      • D Duncan Edwards Jones

        The performance review is the management equivalent of the security charade that is airport security. Basically you have to do the little performance and neither party has any belief in its efficacy or indeed purpose. Your manager will get one of these and his manager and so on - and at some point the company will feel it "really knows its people". Then the edicts on grading performance by a bell curve or "you can't give person x an exceeds rating as they only got promoted last year and its person y's turn" will come along and completely undo any good the review process was originally designed to achieve, In short, I give performance reviews a "failed to meet expectations" grade this year.

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        Sander Rossel
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        You seem pretty pessimistic :laugh: Our company is basically a general manager -> team leads (4) -> team members (of which I am one). So tomorrow I'm sitting down with my team lead and the general manager. I know the general manager a little bit, sometimes I talk to him at the coffee machine or some such. My team lead is a really good guy, so I'm pretty positive :) It's my first performance review with this company though.

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          Kevin Marois
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          You could always use this[^] to help with your performance.

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            Richard Andrew x64
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            You can always point out your Code Project reputation score!

            The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              What a performance review is?

              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

              "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Lost User
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                #15

                4 simple words: SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

                There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.

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                • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                  You can always point out your Code Project reputation score!

                  The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                  jeron1
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                  and how you spent xx hours on CP accruing that score.

                  "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    Richard Deeming
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                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                    any tips on what (not) to say?

                    Don't be Peter[^]. :D


                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                      any tips on what (not) to say?

                      Don't be Peter[^]. :D


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: When they hired me last year they asked me the same question, I answered "ideally, in your chair" :laugh:

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • L Lost User

                        4 simple words: SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

                        There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.

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                        Sander Rossel
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                        And then that one simple counter-question, "why?" :sigh:

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        • J jeron1

                          and how you spent xx hours on CP accruing that score.

                          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          During work hours :laugh:

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          • K Kevin Marois

                            You could always use this[^] to help with your performance.

                            If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            I'd need a higher desk :D

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              What a performance review is?

                              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              Or what is love[^] :D

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: When they hired me last year they asked me the same question, I answered "ideally, in your chair" :laugh:

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                Sascha Lefevre
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                                So you should ask him if he called you because he finally cleared his chair for you :)

                                If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Aw, things like "how the elephant would you measure that" come to mind.. :rolleyes:

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    During work hours :laugh:

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    jeron1
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                                    For research purposes only of course. :-D

                                    "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      I already joked about 1 :laugh: 3 can be very true, but is also very tricky... Let's put it this way, my code didn't break because someone else did a really good job writing theirs. And of course my code breaking is my responsibility, but it would be a lot easier to take that responsibility if I wasn't having spaghetti every day. Well, theoretically :D My boss (he doesn't like that word) is actually pretty much in tune with the team, he's actually just part of the team. He helps with issues, discusses on a developer's level, and is open for idea's. I'm pretty lucky to have him as a manager :D

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      Marc Clifton
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                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      My boss (he doesn't like that word)

                                      Well, he wins points from me just for that! Nice! Marc

                                      Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        dan sh
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                                        Never say this: Looking at how demanding you are, I love my wife a little more than I used to.

                                        "You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[^]

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                                          Never say this: Looking at how demanding you are, I love my wife a little more than I used to.

                                          "You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[^]

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          If by wife you mean cat I could get behind that :laugh:

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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