Weapons of mass persuasion...

Mike Gaskey

Chris Maunder wrote: Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. and a da** site meaner. Mike

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. 15 already have and they've been turn over to Kuwati authorities. "rumor" (news reported in the US) report that xx,000 are ready to surrender in the north once activities start. Also reported is the "fact" that members of the US command have the cell phone numbers of and have been in communication with Iraqi commanders in the field. I suspect there is "some" truth to the reports although I think some of this is just propaganda, possibly for the Iraqis themselves. Also just reported, Turkey has given overflight permission once it starts. Mike

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: Also reported is the "fact" that members of the US command have the cell phone numbers of and have been in communication with Iraqi commanders in the field So, isn't it possible to negociate local surrenders before beginning the air campaign? Mike Gaskey wrote: Also just reported, Turkey has given overflight permission once it starts And refused the use of its bases.

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Lost User

Chris Maunder wrote: the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. ...and much better looking. :-D Mike Mullikin :beer:

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Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: So, isn't it possible to negociate local surrenders before beginning the air campaign? Logically you would / could - and I hope that happens. As I commented though, I think the cell phone business is propaganda designed for Iraqi consumption. The reporting further stated that the Iraqi commanders were told (literally) to point the cannon on their tanks towards the ground or to the rear. Continuing.. they were also told to lay down their arms and head back to their barracks. Officers were to be allowed to keep a handgun. KaЯl wrote: And refused the use of its bases. That was the news last week. The overflight permission was just granted. They're reportedly going to conduct another vote on the basing issue - I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. Mike

Maximilien

I think most of the Iraki first line of defense will surrender quite fast, they are not supposed to be the best of the Iraki army, a bit like in GW v1.0; they will surrender because they are not well equipped and probably starving and thirsty. All of these prisoners will need to be taken care of, and will put pressure on the US/UK/and the rest, to "debrief" them. The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy. Max.

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Chris Losinger

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Russell Morris

KaЯl wrote: Does the US Army plan to use the Orange Agent again? Yes, of course. How else are we going to make it through the dense vegetation of the desert? :laugh: -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, but because 94% of the people in Turkey don't want war when the turkish army wants it, a severe political crisis could result. Moreover, it would also solve the problem of turkish troops in iraqi Kurdistan.

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KaRl

Maximilien wrote: The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy I also fear a big resistance from SH tribe, around his native town.

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Mike Gaskey

I think we agree here. Even though we differ on the over all Iraq issue (or the US approach) it would probably cause untold harm to the Turkish people and the country overall if the populace disagrees so severly. Mike

KaRl

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Don't believe it for a minute. no matter how successful the Allied campaign is, people are going to die. I don't think that is something we should take lightly. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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peterchen

May I be picky again? Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender.

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Alvaro Mendez

Absolutely. That's why tonight I'm not going back home. On the way there I could witness a car wreck where people die, or even worse, I could die in one myself. Death is such a horrible thing! We should outlaw knives and baseball bats, and of course guns, and cars... oh the horror! ;P Regards, Alvaro

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Chris Austin

peterchen wrote: May I be picky again? It is always fun, so by all means.:) peterchen wrote: Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender. I agree that it is very arrogant. But, if you can accept the preface that W and Co. were going to have this war regardless of UN and other diplomatic avenues, it seems reasonable. They are offering people a way to avoid fighting. Also, I think that propaganda has been used in military theaters for a long time now. Maybe we are just seeing an evolution of that. BTW, I am assuming your question was rethorical. We know that all hell would break loose. The word abbreviation is awfully long for what it means.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

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Alvaro Mendez

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. However, I say that death is a natural part of war. It's not a good thing, but it happens. It's like driving in a car. You risk injury or loss of life, yet it doesn't stop you from getting in a car to get somewhere relatively fast. That's how war should be viewed. Our objective is to change the regime, and to get there we risk losing human life. It's just the way it goes. Regards, Alvaro

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Doug Goulden

Maybe we should just drop flowers and French wine? :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?