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  • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

    JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Don't believe it for a minute. no matter how successful the Allied campaign is, people are going to die. I don't think that is something we should take lightly. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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    Alvaro Mendez
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    Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. However, I say that death is a natural part of war. It's not a good thing, but it happens. It's like driving in a car. You risk injury or loss of life, yet it doesn't stop you from getting in a car to get somewhere relatively fast. That's how war should be viewed. Our objective is to change the regime, and to get there we risk losing human life. It's just the way it goes. Regards, Alvaro


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      Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. Wouldn't it be possible to see first if the Iraqi Army collapses, before dropping thousands of bombs and missiles on the cities?


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      Doug Goulden
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      Maybe we should just drop flowers and French wine? :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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        KaRl
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        Let's nuke them! :laugh:


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          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. However, I say that death is a natural part of war. It's not a good thing, but it happens. It's like driving in a car. You risk injury or loss of life, yet it doesn't stop you from getting in a car to get somewhere relatively fast. That's how war should be viewed. Our objective is to change the regime, and to get there we risk losing human life. It's just the way it goes. Regards, Alvaro


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          Alvaro Mendez wrote: I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen After invading Iraq, no?


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            peterchen wrote: May I be picky again? It is always fun, so by all means.:) peterchen wrote: Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender. I agree that it is very arrogant. But, if you can accept the preface that W and Co. were going to have this war regardless of UN and other diplomatic avenues, it seems reasonable. They are offering people a way to avoid fighting. Also, I think that propaganda has been used in military theaters for a long time now. Maybe we are just seeing an evolution of that. BTW, I am assuming your question was rethorical. We know that all hell would break loose. The word abbreviation is awfully long for what it means.

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            Chris Austin wrote: It is always fun, so by all means. Thank you ;) Yes, it was rhethorical, and I have the Iraquis rather surrender than kill or die. However, I still believe that the good guy should do it the good way, even if it's harder - "If you look into the abyss, the abyss will look into you." And if the US wants to become the "world ruler" they betetr do it the good guy's way, or people will take up arms against them just because it's them, and it will all end in an ugly mess.


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              Mike Gaskey wrote: I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, but because 94% of the people in Turkey don't want war when the turkish army wants it, a severe political crisis could result. Moreover, it would also solve the problem of turkish troops in iraqi Kurdistan.


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              KaЯl wrote: I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, Of course not ..... Finally a Frenchman that isn't an obstructionist:rolleyes:;P:rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                Maybe we should just drop flowers and French wine? :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                KaRl
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                There are much better uses for wine than dropping it!


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                  Let's nuke them! :laugh:


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                  Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                  I managed to stash away some ping of death and teardrops since it was banned. :extremely evil grin: :-D -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                    Alvaro Mendez wrote: I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen After invading Iraq, no?


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                    Doug Goulden
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                    Maybe we should just try to appease him, its worked well in the past.:laugh: Maybe they won't hurt us. Seriously though, it better to do this now (seeing s how we were to dumb to finish in '91) before weapons might "migrate" into other hands. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                      There are much better uses for wine than dropping it!


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                      Doug Goulden
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                      Only California wine;), we're boycotting here. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                        Maybe we should just try to appease him, its worked well in the past.:laugh: Maybe they won't hurt us. Seriously though, it better to do this now (seeing s how we were to dumb to finish in '91) before weapons might "migrate" into other hands. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                        KaRl
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                        Invading a country for a "might" is perhaps for you a good reason, it's not in my opinion.


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                          Chris Austin wrote: It is always fun, so by all means. Thank you ;) Yes, it was rhethorical, and I have the Iraquis rather surrender than kill or die. However, I still believe that the good guy should do it the good way, even if it's harder - "If you look into the abyss, the abyss will look into you." And if the US wants to become the "world ruler" they betetr do it the good guy's way, or people will take up arms against them just because it's them, and it will all end in an ugly mess.


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                          peterchen wrote: However, I still believe that the good guy should do it the good way, even if it's harder I wholeheartedly agree here. This action has shaken me at my core. When we went there in '91 there was no reasonable doubt that it was the right thing but this, it disturbs me for many reasons. The word abbreviation is awfully long for what it means.

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                            Only California wine;), we're boycotting here. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                            Doug Goulden wrote: California wine To clean silver stuff? ;P


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                              I managed to stash away some ping of death and teardrops since it was banned. :extremely evil grin: :-D -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                              KaRl
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                              How did you manage to avoid the inspections? :-D


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                                How did you manage to avoid the inspections? :-D


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                                Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                Hey, I'm a super power. I'm not inspected, I inspect! ;) -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                                  Invading a country for a "might" is perhaps for you a good reason, it's not in my opinion.


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                                  KaЯl wrote: Invading a country for a "might" is perhaps for you a good reason, it's not in my opinion There is a difference in "mights", there is the really small "might" like I might be hit in the head by a falling meteor, that I can accept, I have no way of preventing it ,and the probability is very small. I might get in an automobile accident, thats a bigger "might", and the reason I wear a seat belt. It doesn't keep me from driving but I try to manage the risk. Sadaam Hussein has used WMD and still has them. Terrorists have actually been found to be investigating using chemical weapons (in Afghanistan). The idea that SH "might" use WMD (its already happened) or "might" give them to terrorists is to large of a "might" for someone who wishes to truly be free. If I was still young enough to re-enlist in the military, its something I could fight for. So yeah, its a big enough "might" for me. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                    Doug Goulden wrote: California wine To clean silver stuff? ;P


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                                    I gotta confess, I drink beer! Wine is for sissies......:laugh: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                      May I be picky again? Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender.


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                                      peterchen wrote: Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way Propaganda is one of the tools of war.... and a lot less harmful than bullets and bombs. During '91 thousands of Iraqi troops surrendered, I think the hope is to try to get the military to realize that the US wants SH and his henchmen, not a fight with them. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                        peterchen wrote: Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way Propaganda is one of the tools of war.... and a lot less harmful than bullets and bombs. During '91 thousands of Iraqi troops surrendered, I think the hope is to try to get the military to realize that the US wants SH and his henchmen, not a fight with them. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                        peterchen
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                                        see my reply to Chris ;) http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?forumid=2605&select=449610&df=100&tid=449221&app=50#xx449610xx[^]


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                                        • A Alvaro Mendez

                                          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. However, I say that death is a natural part of war. It's not a good thing, but it happens. It's like driving in a car. You risk injury or loss of life, yet it doesn't stop you from getting in a car to get somewhere relatively fast. That's how war should be viewed. Our objective is to change the regime, and to get there we risk losing human life. It's just the way it goes. Regards, Alvaro


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                                          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                          Alvaro Mendez wrote: I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I don't doubt that. I do feel the original post in this thread was inappropriate though - hence my post.## Alvaro Mendez wrote: I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. Fat chance. Tyrants like him are usually clever enough to know that there's nowhere to give up if they leave - justice will catch them eventually if they do. He'll do anything he can to cause mass bloodshed rather than leave. :(( Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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