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  • P Paul Watson

    Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? Sitting in our westernised countries, watching from afar. I still visited GameSpot today, got irritated with VB.NET as usual, had clients calling and faxing through sign-offs. We visited some new office premises, had a breakfast meeting with some old boys, interviewed a couple of chapies for a new position. Sure we chat about the war. We read about the war. We play at arm chair generals and do some desktop politics. Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand while the Big Issue vendor tried to get my attention by dancing a jig. The soccer mom drove past in her X5 taking the kids to ballet and piano practice. Even more to the point was: A newspaper that Bluegrass is helping out with was being launched today, I had some photos published in it and was quite keen to find out what was going on. Turns out that the established South African paper already in London literally hijacked the launch. They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. We know the guy who runs the other paper and he is a typical upper crust, old boy, what, what type. He was rather miffed at hearing about us upstarts coming along and trying to ruin his pet project (he is big time rich, does not need to lift a finger for the rest of his life, the newspaper is his pet project.) So there he sat, Iraqis about to die, Americans and Brits about to charge into the unknown. Markets unsure, many deals waiting the outcome, every paper covered in the war and he decides to hijack an upstart newspaper... I just found that extremely odd. It's like the younger son hijacking his brothers wedding by announcing he is gay. It is bizarre. You sit for awhile trying to wrap your mind around the thought processes of that person and you just can't. We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. Amazing stuff.

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    Well, what can I say... You`re right - life still goes on. But is it what we wanted? We`re all gone mad - I asked about movie and he didn`t got me at all... Funny, was he crying whe Chechen terrorists exploded civilian buildings in Moscow? I suppose not too loud... US and UK created a threat to all of us - Muslims against Christians. And this may be the end for all of us... And this is our life. That still goes on... Sepultura in my heart, can`t take it away... (Max Cavalera)

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      Well, what can I say... You`re right - life still goes on. But is it what we wanted? We`re all gone mad - I asked about movie and he didn`t got me at all... Funny, was he crying whe Chechen terrorists exploded civilian buildings in Moscow? I suppose not too loud... US and UK created a threat to all of us - Muslims against Christians. And this may be the end for all of us... And this is our life. That still goes on... Sepultura in my heart, can`t take it away... (Max Cavalera)

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      US and UK created a threat to all of us - Muslims against Christians. And this may be the end for all of us... And this is our life. That threat is as old as the religions. You would have to be very ignorant of the past to believe otherwise. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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      • P Paul Watson

        Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? Sitting in our westernised countries, watching from afar. I still visited GameSpot today, got irritated with VB.NET as usual, had clients calling and faxing through sign-offs. We visited some new office premises, had a breakfast meeting with some old boys, interviewed a couple of chapies for a new position. Sure we chat about the war. We read about the war. We play at arm chair generals and do some desktop politics. Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand while the Big Issue vendor tried to get my attention by dancing a jig. The soccer mom drove past in her X5 taking the kids to ballet and piano practice. Even more to the point was: A newspaper that Bluegrass is helping out with was being launched today, I had some photos published in it and was quite keen to find out what was going on. Turns out that the established South African paper already in London literally hijacked the launch. They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. We know the guy who runs the other paper and he is a typical upper crust, old boy, what, what type. He was rather miffed at hearing about us upstarts coming along and trying to ruin his pet project (he is big time rich, does not need to lift a finger for the rest of his life, the newspaper is his pet project.) So there he sat, Iraqis about to die, Americans and Brits about to charge into the unknown. Markets unsure, many deals waiting the outcome, every paper covered in the war and he decides to hijack an upstart newspaper... I just found that extremely odd. It's like the younger son hijacking his brothers wedding by announcing he is gay. It is bizarre. You sit for awhile trying to wrap your mind around the thought processes of that person and you just can't. We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. Amazing stuff.

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        Ya it is very strange but then we kinda live on the very bottom of the world here. And you Cape Townies are so laid back anyway... Paul Watson wrote: They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. Isn't that kina illegal? Can't someone press (get it? press? har har - I kill myself :)) charges Paul Watson wrote: Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand Have you posted it on your page yet ;P I'm keen to see it. I hope it's black and white - I like your black and white photos :)_

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          US and UK created a threat to all of us - Muslims against Christians. And this may be the end for all of us... And this is our life. That threat is as old as the religions. You would have to be very ignorant of the past to believe otherwise. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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          Well, right, maybe I didn`t put it clear... I meant, peace is so fragile - US and UK broke it. That`s it. P.S. Please, don`t think I hate America or UK, or something like this... It`s all IMHO. Sepultura in my heart, can`t take it away... (Max Cavalera)

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            Well, right, maybe I didn`t put it clear... I meant, peace is so fragile - US and UK broke it. That`s it. P.S. Please, don`t think I hate America or UK, or something like this... It`s all IMHO. Sepultura in my heart, can`t take it away... (Max Cavalera)

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            I meant, peace is so fragile - US and UK broke it. That`s it. Or is it that the US maintained some peace by making sure Saddam Hussein was contained (i.e., no-fly zones in northern and southern Iraq)? I wonder if the Kurds in the north have appreciated not having to worry as much about Saddam's military for the past few years. Reality is a many-sided coin. Sean Winstead

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              Ya it is very strange but then we kinda live on the very bottom of the world here. And you Cape Townies are so laid back anyway... Paul Watson wrote: They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. Isn't that kina illegal? Can't someone press (get it? press? har har - I kill myself :)) charges Paul Watson wrote: Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand Have you posted it on your page yet ;P I'm keen to see it. I hope it's black and white - I like your black and white photos :)_

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              Nic Rowan wrote: we kinda live on the very bottom of the world here. And you Cape Townies are so laid back anyway But life goes on even in America and the UK! Our UK sales guys were out selling today. The techy chap went out and fixed some networks, installed a few PCs. They stopped by Starbucks and Pret Manger on the way back. Probably about the only countries that anything much has changed in daily life is Iraq, Kuwait and other border countries. Nic Rowan wrote: Isn't that kina illegal? Can't someone press (get it? press? har har - I kill myself ) charges Oh of course and I am sure we will press *snigger* charges. The stupid thing obviously is that they replaced our papers with theirs. Pretty much obvious who did it, doncha think? Nic Rowan wrote: Have you posted it on your page yet I'm keen to see it. I hope it's black and white - I like your black and white photos Thanks :-D And no, not posted yet. I use film, takes awhile for me to develop and then scan it all in.

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              Bluegrass
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              Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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              • P Paul Watson

                Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? Sitting in our westernised countries, watching from afar. I still visited GameSpot today, got irritated with VB.NET as usual, had clients calling and faxing through sign-offs. We visited some new office premises, had a breakfast meeting with some old boys, interviewed a couple of chapies for a new position. Sure we chat about the war. We read about the war. We play at arm chair generals and do some desktop politics. Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand while the Big Issue vendor tried to get my attention by dancing a jig. The soccer mom drove past in her X5 taking the kids to ballet and piano practice. Even more to the point was: A newspaper that Bluegrass is helping out with was being launched today, I had some photos published in it and was quite keen to find out what was going on. Turns out that the established South African paper already in London literally hijacked the launch. They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. We know the guy who runs the other paper and he is a typical upper crust, old boy, what, what type. He was rather miffed at hearing about us upstarts coming along and trying to ruin his pet project (he is big time rich, does not need to lift a finger for the rest of his life, the newspaper is his pet project.) So there he sat, Iraqis about to die, Americans and Brits about to charge into the unknown. Markets unsure, many deals waiting the outcome, every paper covered in the war and he decides to hijack an upstart newspaper... I just found that extremely odd. It's like the younger son hijacking his brothers wedding by announcing he is gay. It is bizarre. You sit for awhile trying to wrap your mind around the thought processes of that person and you just can't. We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. Amazing stuff.

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                We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. On the contrary. I and my clients are repeatedly frisked and searched at airports. Just last week my client missed his flight because he had bought a one way ticket, which sets off all sorts of security alarms. We've been told to prepare for terrorist attacks. To plan a rendezvous point for family members in case of an attack. To plan for means of communicating with family members. To stock non-perishables. Our health care workers have been asked to "voluntarily" take a controversial and painful smallpox vaccination, without being compensated for work days missed. Our military personnel is required to take this vaccination. One of my clients cut back my hours because Bush's policies were affecting his customers so much, it was dragging down his business. Just about every one of those 200,000+ troops has a mother, a father, and probably a brother, sister, wife, husband, and/or children worrying about them. I worry about how many different ways this war can twist into a bloodbath between the different rebel factions, Turkey, Iran, etc. We haven't begun to see the Islamic rebellion to this war. Yes, I personally feel more removed from this war than other people I know, but there hasn't been a night in the last 6 months where I haven't gone to bed wondering how this will all turn out, and what the world will be like for my son when he's an adult. Wouldn't it be nicer going to bed wondering instead at how peaceful and beautiful the world is? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                • S Strika

                  Well, right, maybe I didn`t put it clear... I meant, peace is so fragile - US and UK broke it. That`s it. P.S. Please, don`t think I hate America or UK, or something like this... It`s all IMHO. Sepultura in my heart, can`t take it away... (Max Cavalera)

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                  No no no. Don't worry about if I think you hate America. There are plenty of reasons to. There will be a new bubble tensions in the area. That I have no doubt. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                  • S Sean Winstead

                    I meant, peace is so fragile - US and UK broke it. That`s it. Or is it that the US maintained some peace by making sure Saddam Hussein was contained (i.e., no-fly zones in northern and southern Iraq)? I wonder if the Kurds in the north have appreciated not having to worry as much about Saddam's military for the past few years. Reality is a many-sided coin. Sean Winstead

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                    Like I sad, all is IMHO. Sepultura in my heart, can`t take it away... (Max Cavalera)

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                      We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. On the contrary. I and my clients are repeatedly frisked and searched at airports. Just last week my client missed his flight because he had bought a one way ticket, which sets off all sorts of security alarms. We've been told to prepare for terrorist attacks. To plan a rendezvous point for family members in case of an attack. To plan for means of communicating with family members. To stock non-perishables. Our health care workers have been asked to "voluntarily" take a controversial and painful smallpox vaccination, without being compensated for work days missed. Our military personnel is required to take this vaccination. One of my clients cut back my hours because Bush's policies were affecting his customers so much, it was dragging down his business. Just about every one of those 200,000+ troops has a mother, a father, and probably a brother, sister, wife, husband, and/or children worrying about them. I worry about how many different ways this war can twist into a bloodbath between the different rebel factions, Turkey, Iran, etc. We haven't begun to see the Islamic rebellion to this war. Yes, I personally feel more removed from this war than other people I know, but there hasn't been a night in the last 6 months where I haven't gone to bed wondering how this will all turn out, and what the world will be like for my son when he's an adult. Wouldn't it be nicer going to bed wondering instead at how peaceful and beautiful the world is? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                      Oh heavens! You were frisked! Heavens! Non-perishables! My word! Bring in the peace corps, your life is destroyed! Come now Mr. Clifton. There is not a single thing there that is stopping you from coming to work, eating your lunch, posting on CP and watching a bit of telly this evening. Your route to work is not blocked because a cruise missile just took out a factory and it is lying in your way. Your newspaper still lands on the front porch every morning, it is not disrupted because a bomb took out the printing house. You don't have to queue for bread, save petrol, buy parafin for when the electricity dies nor do you stop your kids from going to school or dodge building to building as you make your way to the corner cafe. You don't even have to worry about your job or that the DVD store might not be able to stock the latest blockbuster this friday eve. I am quite shocked that the things you listed you see as being so disruptive to everyday life that, well, anyone should care. Sure there are half a million worried parents, brothers, sisters and kids. But their lives are not disrupted to the point were they thank the lord for every sunrise they see. Sure you worry. So do I. I live amongst half a million Muslims myself, chaps not afraid of bombing the nearest Planet Hollywood to show their distaste of America. My life is not really interupted. Sorry Marc, but your attitude puzzles me. Nothing much has changed in your life since a year ago because of this war. More worry, a few very minor concessions to what most likely will not happen but 0.0000000000000001% just may happen. That you are sitting at your PC reading and posting on Code Project is proof enough that you are virtually unafected by the war.

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                        Oh heavens! You were frisked! Heavens! Non-perishables! My word! Bring in the peace corps, your life is destroyed! Come now Mr. Clifton. There is not a single thing there that is stopping you from coming to work, eating your lunch, posting on CP and watching a bit of telly this evening. Your route to work is not blocked because a cruise missile just took out a factory and it is lying in your way. Your newspaper still lands on the front porch every morning, it is not disrupted because a bomb took out the printing house. You don't have to queue for bread, save petrol, buy parafin for when the electricity dies nor do you stop your kids from going to school or dodge building to building as you make your way to the corner cafe. You don't even have to worry about your job or that the DVD store might not be able to stock the latest blockbuster this friday eve. I am quite shocked that the things you listed you see as being so disruptive to everyday life that, well, anyone should care. Sure there are half a million worried parents, brothers, sisters and kids. But their lives are not disrupted to the point were they thank the lord for every sunrise they see. Sure you worry. So do I. I live amongst half a million Muslims myself, chaps not afraid of bombing the nearest Planet Hollywood to show their distaste of America. My life is not really interupted. Sorry Marc, but your attitude puzzles me. Nothing much has changed in your life since a year ago because of this war. More worry, a few very minor concessions to what most likely will not happen but 0.0000000000000001% just may happen. That you are sitting at your PC reading and posting on Code Project is proof enough that you are virtually unafected by the war.

                        Paul Watson
                        Bluegrass
                        Cape Town, South Africa

                        Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                        As a counterpoint - when the IRA bombed Paddington railway station in London, instead of running round in circles the next day the trains around Britain were the busiest they had been all year..... Also, when a natural gas storage facility was bombed the next day attitude around was "Prats - they're not stopping us getting on with life". When terrorists stop your life, they have won. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                          I meant, peace is so fragile - US and UK broke it. That`s it. Or is it that the US maintained some peace by making sure Saddam Hussein was contained (i.e., no-fly zones in northern and southern Iraq)? I wonder if the Kurds in the north have appreciated not having to worry as much about Saddam's military for the past few years. Reality is a many-sided coin. Sean Winstead

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                          Sean Winstead wrote: Or is it that the US maintained some peace wow, isn't it convenient to maintain world peace and protect your oil assets in one go. And don't forget boosting that supreme Amarican moral, increasing the value of the Dollar etc. This Bush must be really clever...

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                            As a counterpoint - when the IRA bombed Paddington railway station in London, instead of running round in circles the next day the trains around Britain were the busiest they had been all year..... Also, when a natural gas storage facility was bombed the next day attitude around was "Prats - they're not stopping us getting on with life". When terrorists stop your life, they have won. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                            Trollslayer wrote: When terrorists stop your life, they have won. Isn't it sad though that it takes a threat on the opportunities and features of life before you start caring enough to do your best, to go that extra mile? Most days Londoners are apathetic or quite anti the trains and tube. As soon as a foreigner tries to take it away from them, they rally around it. I remember the first time I went to London. I thought the Underground was the coolest thing ever. I road those rails like I wanted to become a tube train driver. I wished we had one down here in the Cape. Yet a friend who has lived in London for just a year now regularly bitches about it. "The tube was 5 minutes late today! Godamn rubbish service!" and all sorts. I know we should not base things on the conditions in other countries, but it is amazing how we can switch poles on a topic when the situation changes.

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                              Oh heavens! You were frisked! Heavens! Non-perishables! My word! Bring in the peace corps, your life is destroyed! Come now Mr. Clifton. There is not a single thing there that is stopping you from coming to work, eating your lunch, posting on CP and watching a bit of telly this evening. Your route to work is not blocked because a cruise missile just took out a factory and it is lying in your way. Your newspaper still lands on the front porch every morning, it is not disrupted because a bomb took out the printing house. You don't have to queue for bread, save petrol, buy parafin for when the electricity dies nor do you stop your kids from going to school or dodge building to building as you make your way to the corner cafe. You don't even have to worry about your job or that the DVD store might not be able to stock the latest blockbuster this friday eve. I am quite shocked that the things you listed you see as being so disruptive to everyday life that, well, anyone should care. Sure there are half a million worried parents, brothers, sisters and kids. But their lives are not disrupted to the point were they thank the lord for every sunrise they see. Sure you worry. So do I. I live amongst half a million Muslims myself, chaps not afraid of bombing the nearest Planet Hollywood to show their distaste of America. My life is not really interupted. Sorry Marc, but your attitude puzzles me. Nothing much has changed in your life since a year ago because of this war. More worry, a few very minor concessions to what most likely will not happen but 0.0000000000000001% just may happen. That you are sitting at your PC reading and posting on Code Project is proof enough that you are virtually unafected by the war.

                              Paul Watson
                              Bluegrass
                              Cape Town, South Africa

                              Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                              Hmmmm. Lots of interesting emotions reading your reply. Yes, my life is a lot better off than a lot of other people in this world, and this war affects me, for right now, hardly at all. But I disagree with your opening line in first your post: "Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life?" I wanted to point out that every one is affected in some way. Now, if you want to talk about the different ways a person is affected, from a civilian seeing more cops on the streets of NYC to an Iraqi civilian being murdered by a cruise missile, well, that is a different issue. Both people are affected. At least one still has the ability to think about it, and thus continues to be affected. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                              Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                              Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                              Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                                Isn't it amazing just how little the war really affects our daily life? Sitting in our westernised countries, watching from afar. I still visited GameSpot today, got irritated with VB.NET as usual, had clients calling and faxing through sign-offs. We visited some new office premises, had a breakfast meeting with some old boys, interviewed a couple of chapies for a new position. Sure we chat about the war. We read about the war. We play at arm chair generals and do some desktop politics. Still ate lunch today (pie, coke and a danish.) Took a photograph of a newspaper seller holding up the Argus with "IT'S WAR" on the front-page, he had a huge smile on his face and was giving me the thumbs up with his other hand while the Big Issue vendor tried to get my attention by dancing a jig. The soccer mom drove past in her X5 taking the kids to ballet and piano practice. Even more to the point was: A newspaper that Bluegrass is helping out with was being launched today, I had some photos published in it and was quite keen to find out what was going on. Turns out that the established South African paper already in London literally hijacked the launch. They broke into the distributors warehouse and replaced most of the new newspapers with theirs. We know the guy who runs the other paper and he is a typical upper crust, old boy, what, what type. He was rather miffed at hearing about us upstarts coming along and trying to ruin his pet project (he is big time rich, does not need to lift a finger for the rest of his life, the newspaper is his pet project.) So there he sat, Iraqis about to die, Americans and Brits about to charge into the unknown. Markets unsure, many deals waiting the outcome, every paper covered in the war and he decides to hijack an upstart newspaper... I just found that extremely odd. It's like the younger son hijacking his brothers wedding by announcing he is gay. It is bizarre. You sit for awhile trying to wrap your mind around the thought processes of that person and you just can't. We are so removed from the troubles of life. We are not dying of AIDs, we have three solid meals a day, we aren't slaves in a blood-diamond mine, we don't live on the street, we aren't about to be bombed. The closest we get is CNN.com, the local paper, the radio and some posts on CP. Then we go back to living our lives. Amazing stuff.

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                                its a bit different from here i know what u mean but here is like being in the middle of it in a weird way i hope it gets over and done as quickly as possible and with as few people getting killed as possible ... i really do


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                                  Trollslayer wrote: When terrorists stop your life, they have won. Isn't it sad though that it takes a threat on the opportunities and features of life before you start caring enough to do your best, to go that extra mile? Most days Londoners are apathetic or quite anti the trains and tube. As soon as a foreigner tries to take it away from them, they rally around it. I remember the first time I went to London. I thought the Underground was the coolest thing ever. I road those rails like I wanted to become a tube train driver. I wished we had one down here in the Cape. Yet a friend who has lived in London for just a year now regularly bitches about it. "The tube was 5 minutes late today! Godamn rubbish service!" and all sorts. I know we should not base things on the conditions in other countries, but it is amazing how we can switch poles on a topic when the situation changes.

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                                  Familiarity breeds contempt. Habits promote unconscious behavior. No, I'm not trying to be cute. Once the shine and newness of something, that "in love" aspect of our relationship with anything as we go through the process of discovering what our relationship to that something is---once that wears off we start to see the rust spots and start complaining about it. And habits by their very definition are unconscious patterns of behaviour. So, even the habits we develop in wartime to promote our survival (dodging from street corner to street corner to get to the cafe, as you said) result in a certain unconsciousness that prevents us from saying "this is insane and must stop." It becomes a habit and we think nothing more of it, even an extreme survival behaviour. As I said recently, humans will adapt themselves into oblivion. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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                                    its a bit different from here i know what u mean but here is like being in the middle of it in a weird way i hope it gets over and done as quickly as possible and with as few people getting killed as possible ... i really do


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                                    You cancel your road trip because of the war?

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                                      You cancel your road trip because of the war?

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                                      not a chance just waiting for paperwork to get sorted out photos will be posted on my roadtrip website when we get going :)


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                                        Familiarity breeds contempt. Habits promote unconscious behavior. No, I'm not trying to be cute. Once the shine and newness of something, that "in love" aspect of our relationship with anything as we go through the process of discovering what our relationship to that something is---once that wears off we start to see the rust spots and start complaining about it. And habits by their very definition are unconscious patterns of behaviour. So, even the habits we develop in wartime to promote our survival (dodging from street corner to street corner to get to the cafe, as you said) result in a certain unconsciousness that prevents us from saying "this is insane and must stop." It becomes a habit and we think nothing more of it, even an extreme survival behaviour. As I said recently, humans will adapt themselves into oblivion. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                                        Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                                        Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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                                        All very true and well said Marc. And I was not trying to offend or belittle things in reply to your other post. I realise it affects us all. But I think of the soldiers, pilots, gunners, planners, targets and by standers and how they are affected. Then I look around at my safe little world and it is hard to marry the two as being on the same planet. I could reach Iraq within 10 hours if I wanted to. All of that, just 10 hours away. Hell, I could drive 10 minutes from where I am now into the heart of gang warfare, where you do duck from corner to corner or risk being caught by a stray or not so stray bullet. I am not saying we should all be ducking corner to corner at all. Hell no, we must go on with our lives, keep the world ticking, humanity progressing. It simply amazes me, the divisions we form, how we can put this over here and that over there and never the twain shall meet.

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                                          not a chance just waiting for paperwork to get sorted out photos will be posted on my roadtrip website when we get going :)


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                                          You see what I mean though Lauren? You say you feel you are in the middle of it, in a weird way, but you are still off on your adventure. By all means go. I am not saying you should stop, cancel life, wear black and hug strangers. Just merely pointing out that we bleat on about the poor Iraqis, but life goes on for us with very little real change. Remember the bombs in Slaapstad a few years back? Sure, we were a bit more careful what restaurants we chose to eat at. But we did not stop going out. Amazing stuff.

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                                          Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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