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When you are a super power, why do you NEED regime A to undermine regime B? Just something that I never understood. :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: Just something that I never understood. From reading your posts there is a LOT you don't understand. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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:-D If people just take the efforts of all countries for what it is - effective control of the region, and making some money selling weapons and think about the consequences later - everything gets explained. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
And if the universe was static you wouldn't need Einstien. Richard PS: And many thought it was - and some still do. In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Presidency is the way Kennedy acted during the Cuban Missiles crisis. If you don't know what I am talking then watch the "Thirteen Days" movie. :rose: Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]
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And Martin is back. [quote] Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq. [/quote] Both Blair and Howard will lose the next election, and I have no doubt their parties will take a generation to recover. Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, it's our leaders who are spineless. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, it's our leaders who are spineless. Looks to me like you leaders have the balls and the rest of you have gave them up. One can expect this from Australia who generally have the gumption of a platypus but not from the UK Lion. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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John Carson wrote: Domestically, the US record is generally excellent (in common with other Western nations). I am not sure that Iraq is a "hell of a lot worse" than Turkey. might i suggest you view the amnesty international website? Now we have established that the US does in fact have a better human rights record and that they do complain loudly when required, its also important to note that they do also work quietly when the situation calls for it, one deals with ones friends and helps them sort out their problems in a different manner to how one sorts out someone less than friendly. by the way, I love a good argument :)
bryce wrote: might i suggest you view the amnesty international website? I don't know if you had something specific in mind. I went to the website and found that the lead article was "Iraq: military action could trigger civilian and human rights catastrophe" Two stories below it was: "Turkey: End sexual torture against women in custody!" A little more digging found lots of articles on Turkish human rights violations. The following article from Human Rights Watch may be of interest: Turkey and the Kurds[^] Iraq probably is worse than Turkey. But Turkey is still shockingly bad. It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein. bryce wrote: Now we have established that the US does in fact have a better human rights record and that they do complain loudly when required, its also important to note that they do also work quietly when the situation calls for it, one deals with ones friends and helps them sort out their problems in a different manner to how one sorts out someone less than friendly. I find these claims bizarre. We have not established that "they do complain loudly when required". The US has no consistent record of defending human rights in foreign countries and there are plenty of examples of it lending its support in the opposite direction --- for example, Pol Pot and Iraq in the 80s, Turkey now. The fact that the US even has "friends" that torture and murder speaks volumes. John Carson
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
You're not alone, Martin. I second that.
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bryce wrote: might i suggest you view the amnesty international website? I don't know if you had something specific in mind. I went to the website and found that the lead article was "Iraq: military action could trigger civilian and human rights catastrophe" Two stories below it was: "Turkey: End sexual torture against women in custody!" A little more digging found lots of articles on Turkish human rights violations. The following article from Human Rights Watch may be of interest: Turkey and the Kurds[^] Iraq probably is worse than Turkey. But Turkey is still shockingly bad. It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein. bryce wrote: Now we have established that the US does in fact have a better human rights record and that they do complain loudly when required, its also important to note that they do also work quietly when the situation calls for it, one deals with ones friends and helps them sort out their problems in a different manner to how one sorts out someone less than friendly. I find these claims bizarre. We have not established that "they do complain loudly when required". The US has no consistent record of defending human rights in foreign countries and there are plenty of examples of it lending its support in the opposite direction --- for example, Pol Pot and Iraq in the 80s, Turkey now. The fact that the US even has "friends" that torture and murder speaks volumes. John Carson
John Carson wrote: Iraq probably is worse than Turkey. But Turkey is still shockingly bad. It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein. hey i didnt say that turkey wasnt bad, i said iraq was worse (and they are) face fatcs - iraq gassed how many people? John Carson wrote: It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein yer but thats an attempt to direct "blame" onto the US. when they had no part of it. It comes down to who would you trust, iraq or the US If you answer "iraq" then you're not worth talking to. But i'll wait for your answer Bryce
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Christian Graus wrote: Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, it's our leaders who are spineless. Looks to me like you leaders have the balls and the rest of you have gave them up. One can expect this from Australia who generally have the gumption of a platypus but not from the UK Lion. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
Congratulations, you're the stupidest person here. And you have some stiff competition. In other words, get stuffed. Just because I don't support the US starving a country half to death for 10 years, going in and killing the survivors and hoping the remainder will hold a parade because you're going to let them start eating again does not make me spineless, it makes me someone with principles. No, I don't think much of Saddam Hussein. But in this situation, the USA is not much better, and our leaders are just too scared of you to stand up for what is right. I almost wish I was French. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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And Martin is back. [quote] Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq. [/quote] Both Blair and Howard will lose the next election, and I have no doubt their parties will take a generation to recover. Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, it's our leaders who are spineless. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Both Blair and Howard will lose the next election I can't speak for your Prime Minister - but it would take a minor miracle for Blair to be ousted from power. There is now real opposition as the Conservatives are in turmoil and the Lib Dems are little too Pro-Europe for a lot of voters. Christian Graus wrote: Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, If we get a short conflict where Saddam is removed, then I doubt many people will care in six months time. As long as the war doesn't effect their standard of living then most people don't care. Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
Perhaps the rest of the world should invade the US and free it's citizens from the propaganda machine they call Government. Please look past the spin doctors. Phil
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Christian Graus wrote: Both Blair and Howard will lose the next election I can't speak for your Prime Minister - but it would take a minor miracle for Blair to be ousted from power. There is now real opposition as the Conservatives are in turmoil and the Lib Dems are little too Pro-Europe for a lot of voters. Christian Graus wrote: Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, If we get a short conflict where Saddam is removed, then I doubt many people will care in six months time. As long as the war doesn't effect their standard of living then most people don't care. Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
Michael P Butler wrote: As long as the war doesn't effect their standard of living then most people don't care. Sad, but true. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Congratulations, you're the stupidest person here. And you have some stiff competition. In other words, get stuffed. Just because I don't support the US starving a country half to death for 10 years, going in and killing the survivors and hoping the remainder will hold a parade because you're going to let them start eating again does not make me spineless, it makes me someone with principles. No, I don't think much of Saddam Hussein. But in this situation, the USA is not much better, and our leaders are just too scared of you to stand up for what is right. I almost wish I was French. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian, you are an idiot, officially the US/UN has NOT starved iraq at all, if iraq wanted food, medical supplies then these were freely available under the food for oil deal, and take a look at the leaders of the country and see how well they have faired by pillaging their own country. You are mistaking the evils of the leaders with the country itself. but i DO notice Christian, that iraq has been building the world's biggest mosque while the children's hospital not far away doesn't have enough supplies....and that iraq has been paying Turkey 1 million US a DAY to use their road to ship oil out via the northern route. You must have seen it christian, it was on 60 minues (or 20/20) a few sundays ago on Australian telly. Tell me Christian, how you can be happy that a regime that swore black and blue to not have weapons the UN had banned it from having (ranged missiles) is now using them against Kuwait? Will you post a retraction if /when the good guys find chemical/biological weapons during/after the war as they did after the last Gulf war? Bryce
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John Carson wrote: Iraq probably is worse than Turkey. But Turkey is still shockingly bad. It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein. hey i didnt say that turkey wasnt bad, i said iraq was worse (and they are) face fatcs - iraq gassed how many people? John Carson wrote: It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein yer but thats an attempt to direct "blame" onto the US. when they had no part of it. It comes down to who would you trust, iraq or the US If you answer "iraq" then you're not worth talking to. But i'll wait for your answer Bryce
bryce wrote: hey i didnt say that turkey wasnt bad, i said iraq was worse (and they are) face fatcs - iraq gassed how many people? And US corporations supplied the chemicals (along with companies from some other countries) and were permitted to do so by the US government. Moreover, the US government continued to support Iraq economically and militarily (with satelite intelligence) after the gas attacks. If your claim is simply that the US is currently opposed to the worst human rights violator in the world (or at least a worse violator than Turkey), then this hardly amounts to a consistent position in favour of human rights on the part of the US. bryce wrote: yer but thats an attempt to direct "blame" onto the US. when they had no part of it. Of course they had a part of it. See above. bryce wrote: It comes down to who would you trust, iraq or the US I don't know what the "it" is that you are referring to. I wouldn't trust either Iraq or the US if I had an alternative. Iraq is a totally dictatorial society so Saddam Hussein is free to lie. George Bush is less free to lie because he is more likely to have his lies exposed by domestic opponents (or simply honest people without a political motive). But both leaders lie. In any event, if I knew what "it" referred to, I may not agree with you that "it" comes down to who you trust. John Carson
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And Martin is back. [quote] Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq. [/quote] Both Blair and Howard will lose the next election, and I have no doubt their parties will take a generation to recover. Neither the UK or Australia backs this war, it's our leaders who are spineless. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: And Martin is back. At least the guy is consistent.
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bryce wrote: hey i didnt say that turkey wasnt bad, i said iraq was worse (and they are) face fatcs - iraq gassed how many people? And US corporations supplied the chemicals (along with companies from some other countries) and were permitted to do so by the US government. Moreover, the US government continued to support Iraq economically and militarily (with satelite intelligence) after the gas attacks. If your claim is simply that the US is currently opposed to the worst human rights violator in the world (or at least a worse violator than Turkey), then this hardly amounts to a consistent position in favour of human rights on the part of the US. bryce wrote: yer but thats an attempt to direct "blame" onto the US. when they had no part of it. Of course they had a part of it. See above. bryce wrote: It comes down to who would you trust, iraq or the US I don't know what the "it" is that you are referring to. I wouldn't trust either Iraq or the US if I had an alternative. Iraq is a totally dictatorial society so Saddam Hussein is free to lie. George Bush is less free to lie because he is more likely to have his lies exposed by domestic opponents (or simply honest people without a political motive). But both leaders lie. In any event, if I knew what "it" referred to, I may not agree with you that "it" comes down to who you trust. John Carson
John Carson wrote: And US corporations supplied the chemicals (along with companies from some other countries) and were permitted to do so by the US government. Moreover, the US government continued to support Iraq economically and militarily (with satelite intelligence) after the gas attacks. ths US want the only country to supply that technology (see further on in this thread) would you therefore care to relect this in your post. Also, The us was supporting iraq at that time for a very good reason...do you rememebr what is it... I do not believe the US would have suported iraq's decision to gas the kurds nor do i think any right minded person woulf tkink they would support it, you seem to think otherwise. John Carson wrote: I don't know what the "it" is that you are referring to. I wouldn't trust either Iraq or the US if I had an alternative. Iraq is a totally dictatorial society so Saddam Hussein is free to lie. George Bush is less free to lie because he is more likely to have his lies exposed by domestic opponents (or simply honest people without a political motive). But both leaders lie. In any event, if I knew what "it" referred to, I may not agree with you that "it" comes down to who you trust. thats semantics and you know it. Now, i will say this, i do not wish to see turkey invloved in the kurdish areas of iraq, it would make for a very messy situation. Bryce
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Thomas George wrote: Just something that I never understood. From reading your posts there is a LOT you don't understand. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
Would you care to explain? Or are you specializing in smart retorts? I made that statement because US always claims a high moral ground, which they clearly do not occupy. It is propaganda. The war is not because Saddam is bad; but because Saddam is not an ally. If he had been a "good" boy and had not attacked Kuwait, I have no doubt in my mind (kind of the same way Donald Rumsfeld feels about Saddam) that US would still be supplying weapons to Iraq against "evil" Iran. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Christian, you are an idiot, officially the US/UN has NOT starved iraq at all, if iraq wanted food, medical supplies then these were freely available under the food for oil deal, and take a look at the leaders of the country and see how well they have faired by pillaging their own country. You are mistaking the evils of the leaders with the country itself. but i DO notice Christian, that iraq has been building the world's biggest mosque while the children's hospital not far away doesn't have enough supplies....and that iraq has been paying Turkey 1 million US a DAY to use their road to ship oil out via the northern route. You must have seen it christian, it was on 60 minues (or 20/20) a few sundays ago on Australian telly. Tell me Christian, how you can be happy that a regime that swore black and blue to not have weapons the UN had banned it from having (ranged missiles) is now using them against Kuwait? Will you post a retraction if /when the good guys find chemical/biological weapons during/after the war as they did after the last Gulf war? Bryce
except that they could not get chlorine to treat drinking water (because Saddam could make chemical weapons).. and many children died of cholera. Building a mosque is like US rebuilding World Trade Centre. I guess Saddam was trying to instill some Iraqi pride. For better or for worse, big structures have been associated with greatness of countries. What better structure than a mosque in an Arab country? Also about the chemical weapons; he did not use it last time when everyone knew he had it. He had managed to put Scuds in Israel then. Being the "evil maniac" he is, why did he not put a few biological and chemical agents in there? Or is he using chemical weapons just to play hide and seek. This time around, if he has saved a small part of what he had, we might see it in action when the "coalition of the willing" reaches Baghdad. Even at that point, I remain firm on my opinion that the war was not necessary - other means could have been found. Of course, Saddam was depleting in strength for the past 12 years; and would have continued to do so. The part about him searching for an opportunity to use chemical weapons seems a little too foolish. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
"Silence him! He must not be allowed to speak! He disagrees with us! Twist his words around! Change the issue! Anything! Just be sure he is made to look like a fool. Doesn't he realize it's all about oil? Snarl. Grrrr. Rant. Rave." :~ :-D
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Congratulations, you're the stupidest person here. And you have some stiff competition. In other words, get stuffed. Just because I don't support the US starving a country half to death for 10 years, going in and killing the survivors and hoping the remainder will hold a parade because you're going to let them start eating again does not make me spineless, it makes me someone with principles. No, I don't think much of Saddam Hussein. But in this situation, the USA is not much better, and our leaders are just too scared of you to stand up for what is right. I almost wish I was French. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Congratulations, you're the stupidest person here. And you have some stiff competition. Not quite true yet. You are still here so that leaves me in , at best , second place. I guess we poor old uneductated, boorish Americans should go to Australia and see how its supposed to be done. Stupidity wise I mean. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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tidge wrote: How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? 1) because there are other countries out there whose people are far more oppressed than Iraq; North Korea, for starters; and several African countries, and 2)The terrorist connection is specious. The CIA says Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11; his payments to Palestinian suicide bomber's families is more a publicity stunt than anything. tidge wrote: As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. Securty council resolution violation scorecard Iraq: 18 Israel: ~47 tidge wrote: As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care. See, that's when I start wondering who to believe. We "knew" he was trying buy uranium from Nigeria; except that turned out to be a ploy by .. British intelligence, if I remember. We "knew" that Iraq was throwing babies out of incubators after invading Kuwait.. except that that, too, turns out to be a lie. And _this_ list - the list of lies and coverups involved in this whole Iraq affair - just goes on and on. So excuse me if I can't see any rational reason for this war.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: his payments to Palestinian suicide bomber's families is more a publicity stunt than anything. :wtf::wtf: You call that a publicity stunt? Man, you're a sick person or just a clueless <insert clever and XXX rated John Simmons-like insult here> :confused:
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