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  • J Joe Woodbury

    After working for decades on Windows, I took the plunge into Linux for my current job. What baffles me the most is how accepting Linux developers in general are of all the crap applications. No, it's worse than that; they praise the crap applications. Endlessly. And if you criticize the apps, you get heaps of denial. Then there are the UIs written by the clueless. "Yeah, but what about Windows 8," is a typical comeback. There are some superficial design choices not everyone likes in Windows 8 (mostly the start menu and lack of Aero--I don't mind either and now turn off Aero when I have to use Windows 7.) Beyond that, the UI is very consistent, renders extremely well and is magnitudes more stable than any GUI on Linux. Then there's git, which is the worse version control system I've used since Visual Source Safe. The proponents tout the rich feature set of git, ignoring the fact that the rich feature set is there to get around all the problems of a fundamentally flawed design. I work with three, honest-to-God, git experts, but a day doesn't go by when one of them says, while using it or helping someone, "Oops, I don't know what happened there." Often followed by, "this makes no sense, but you have to create a branch...." Then there's moving files via "git mv" which git later "decides" were deleted and recreated. And don't get me started on all its errors with rebases and merges (due largely to bad design.) Naturally, some Linux fan-boys are going to lose their heads over this, but I go back to the question; do Linux developers have no taste? Seriously. Are you unable to see badly rendered fonts? When you want to do something relatively common, which on Windows or Mac takes a click or two, but on Linux takes a list of dozens of detailed instructions, don't you ask why? Don't you use GDB and wonder why it sucks so bad?

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    Obligatory XKCD [^]reference.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

      Linux Mint Cinnamon seems better than most. But then I've been using it only a few days. Your rant though sounds like something from the The UNIX Hater's Handbook[^] "git" is a monster and is a perfect example of everything wrong with the *nix world.

      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

      Linux Mint Cinnamon seems better than most

      I had a sh1t of a time setting up LAN shares with that, so I dumped it and went back to Ubuntu.

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

        Linux Mint Cinnamon seems better than most

        I had a sh1t of a time setting up LAN shares with that, so I dumped it and went back to Ubuntu.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        Mark_Wallace wrote:

        LAN shares

        Haven't tried that yet. What version of Mint Cinnamon did you try? I'm using 17.3 Rosa.

        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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          Mark_Wallace wrote:

          LAN shares

          Haven't tried that yet. What version of Mint Cinnamon did you try? I'm using 17.3 Rosa.

          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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          Mark_Wallace
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          I confess to not remembering. I deleted both the partition and the installation files.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • J Joe Woodbury

            After working for decades on Windows, I took the plunge into Linux for my current job. What baffles me the most is how accepting Linux developers in general are of all the crap applications. No, it's worse than that; they praise the crap applications. Endlessly. And if you criticize the apps, you get heaps of denial. Then there are the UIs written by the clueless. "Yeah, but what about Windows 8," is a typical comeback. There are some superficial design choices not everyone likes in Windows 8 (mostly the start menu and lack of Aero--I don't mind either and now turn off Aero when I have to use Windows 7.) Beyond that, the UI is very consistent, renders extremely well and is magnitudes more stable than any GUI on Linux. Then there's git, which is the worse version control system I've used since Visual Source Safe. The proponents tout the rich feature set of git, ignoring the fact that the rich feature set is there to get around all the problems of a fundamentally flawed design. I work with three, honest-to-God, git experts, but a day doesn't go by when one of them says, while using it or helping someone, "Oops, I don't know what happened there." Often followed by, "this makes no sense, but you have to create a branch...." Then there's moving files via "git mv" which git later "decides" were deleted and recreated. And don't get me started on all its errors with rebases and merges (due largely to bad design.) Naturally, some Linux fan-boys are going to lose their heads over this, but I go back to the question; do Linux developers have no taste? Seriously. Are you unable to see badly rendered fonts? When you want to do something relatively common, which on Windows or Mac takes a click or two, but on Linux takes a list of dozens of detailed instructions, don't you ask why? Don't you use GDB and wonder why it sucks so bad?

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            Linux is good for serving you not for looking at , I use it as a streaming media server and file server and wouldn't use anything else, I have set up several music servers using the humble but very capable Raspberry Pis using USB drives as the media storage and they perform flawlessly - pretty they ain't but they work.

            We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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              I confess to not remembering. I deleted both the partition and the installation files.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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              That's probably best. :-D

              #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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              • J Joe Woodbury

                After working for decades on Windows, I took the plunge into Linux for my current job. What baffles me the most is how accepting Linux developers in general are of all the crap applications. No, it's worse than that; they praise the crap applications. Endlessly. And if you criticize the apps, you get heaps of denial. Then there are the UIs written by the clueless. "Yeah, but what about Windows 8," is a typical comeback. There are some superficial design choices not everyone likes in Windows 8 (mostly the start menu and lack of Aero--I don't mind either and now turn off Aero when I have to use Windows 7.) Beyond that, the UI is very consistent, renders extremely well and is magnitudes more stable than any GUI on Linux. Then there's git, which is the worse version control system I've used since Visual Source Safe. The proponents tout the rich feature set of git, ignoring the fact that the rich feature set is there to get around all the problems of a fundamentally flawed design. I work with three, honest-to-God, git experts, but a day doesn't go by when one of them says, while using it or helping someone, "Oops, I don't know what happened there." Often followed by, "this makes no sense, but you have to create a branch...." Then there's moving files via "git mv" which git later "decides" were deleted and recreated. And don't get me started on all its errors with rebases and merges (due largely to bad design.) Naturally, some Linux fan-boys are going to lose their heads over this, but I go back to the question; do Linux developers have no taste? Seriously. Are you unable to see badly rendered fonts? When you want to do something relatively common, which on Windows or Mac takes a click or two, but on Linux takes a list of dozens of detailed instructions, don't you ask why? Don't you use GDB and wonder why it sucks so bad?

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                My favorite is hearing the Linux weenies complain about Outlook's poor UI, but then designing their clone to look like it as much as possible.

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                • J Jorgen Andersson

                  Obligatory XKCD [^]reference.

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                  Joe Woodbury
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                  I don't if it's funny or ironic, but I just had to do that.

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    That's probably best. :-D

                    #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    Subsidiary annoying fact: My laptop and one of my desktops are dual-boot with Ubuntu. If I let the Linux boot manager handle things, Windows (7 & 8.1) can't start at all.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      Subsidiary annoying fact: My laptop and one of my desktops are dual-boot with Ubuntu. If I let the Linux boot manager handle things, Windows (7 & 8.1) can't start at all.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                      Well, that's because the Linux boot manager doesn't play well with others while the Windows one does. Typical Linux style hack.

                      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                        Well, that's because the Linux boot manager doesn't play well with others while the Windows one does. Typical Linux style hack.

                        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Let's be honest: if Anything has to play well with others, it's a boot manager. What are they thinking? Nothing I want to hear, I'll bet.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        • M Mark_Wallace

                          Let's be honest: if Anything has to play well with others, it's a boot manager. What are they thinking? Nothing I want to hear, I'll bet.

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          Indeed.

                          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                          • J Joe Woodbury

                            After working for decades on Windows, I took the plunge into Linux for my current job. What baffles me the most is how accepting Linux developers in general are of all the crap applications. No, it's worse than that; they praise the crap applications. Endlessly. And if you criticize the apps, you get heaps of denial. Then there are the UIs written by the clueless. "Yeah, but what about Windows 8," is a typical comeback. There are some superficial design choices not everyone likes in Windows 8 (mostly the start menu and lack of Aero--I don't mind either and now turn off Aero when I have to use Windows 7.) Beyond that, the UI is very consistent, renders extremely well and is magnitudes more stable than any GUI on Linux. Then there's git, which is the worse version control system I've used since Visual Source Safe. The proponents tout the rich feature set of git, ignoring the fact that the rich feature set is there to get around all the problems of a fundamentally flawed design. I work with three, honest-to-God, git experts, but a day doesn't go by when one of them says, while using it or helping someone, "Oops, I don't know what happened there." Often followed by, "this makes no sense, but you have to create a branch...." Then there's moving files via "git mv" which git later "decides" were deleted and recreated. And don't get me started on all its errors with rebases and merges (due largely to bad design.) Naturally, some Linux fan-boys are going to lose their heads over this, but I go back to the question; do Linux developers have no taste? Seriously. Are you unable to see badly rendered fonts? When you want to do something relatively common, which on Windows or Mac takes a click or two, but on Linux takes a list of dozens of detailed instructions, don't you ask why? Don't you use GDB and wonder why it sucks so bad?

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                            GenJerDan
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                            How many years has Linux been around? Still trying to figure out why it exists at all, let alone why some people think it's the cat's meow.

                            We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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