More American politics for Europeans
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Need? No. I already said I believe him. I just wanted to know where he was getting his information. I don't pay much attention to the news, mostly due to them being biased, untrustworthy arseholes... If by your comment you mean to say that had I bothered to Google the topic(s) I'd have had my answer, then fine, but knowing which of those sources he considers trustworthy is useful to me.
All the points I made can be verified by a variety of activists and bloggers from both liberal and conservative sources; I don't think any are disputed. The recent DNC protests and Wikileaks stuff is not being reported much by the major media sources, though (with the exception of CNN inventing conspiracy theories of Julian Assange of working with Russia despite zero evidence). If you're interested, a 30-minute interview with a conservative activist who was at the DNC can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7SvB9qEpNQ I think it bizarre that the Europeans flooded the soapbox with opinions when Trump ran a campaign on politically-incorrect statements, but when Clinton drags the country through the type of scandals usually done in third world dictatorships (and not in the USA) they don't seem to be paying much attention to American politics anymore, despite it being orders of magnitude more disturbing.
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The Europeans still interested in American politics need to start protesting against Trump's opponent (Hillary Clinton). She deserves it more than anyone else. As President Obama's Secretary of State (responsible for foreign relations), she mostly neglected her official responsibilities and used the position as a means to solicit bribes and political connections from foreign governments and corporations. Her main accomplishments as Secretary of State include destabilizing governments in the Middle East and Africa, getting the U.S. Ambassador of Libya killed, causing the rise of ISIS, creating a dysfunctional policy of both allying with and fighting ISIS, and causing the migration crisis in Europe. After barely surviving an email scandal where she accidentally leaked top-secret military information to the whole world when all she meant to do was receive bribes from foreign entities (and then got caught lying and destroying evidence), she gets into another scandal: Apparently, she, her party leaders, and several media outlets illegally manipulated the primary election to get her elected above another member of her party (who was likely the legitimate winner of the election). Instead of denying these allegations, they accused Wikileaks of using Russian intelligence to obtain that data to disrupt the American political process (as if election fraud wasn't a disruption of the American political process in the first place). And then protests against the primary election results ended with peaceful protesters being thrown in jail to shut them up, and she continues to be the official party nominee (to be Trump's main opponent in the general election). So we've hit a new low here in America politics, and the only thing that's missing is bewilderment and/or pity from the Europeans that such a thing could happen in a (supposedly) first-world country.
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Blaming Hillary for the mess in the Middle East seems totally unjustified. If you want to point at specific persons rather than European/American policy in general it must be GWB and Dick Cheney.
Personally I'd blame middle east "politicians". Why is everything always our fault?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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The Europeans still interested in American politics need to start protesting against Trump's opponent (Hillary Clinton). She deserves it more than anyone else. As President Obama's Secretary of State (responsible for foreign relations), she mostly neglected her official responsibilities and used the position as a means to solicit bribes and political connections from foreign governments and corporations. Her main accomplishments as Secretary of State include destabilizing governments in the Middle East and Africa, getting the U.S. Ambassador of Libya killed, causing the rise of ISIS, creating a dysfunctional policy of both allying with and fighting ISIS, and causing the migration crisis in Europe. After barely surviving an email scandal where she accidentally leaked top-secret military information to the whole world when all she meant to do was receive bribes from foreign entities (and then got caught lying and destroying evidence), she gets into another scandal: Apparently, she, her party leaders, and several media outlets illegally manipulated the primary election to get her elected above another member of her party (who was likely the legitimate winner of the election). Instead of denying these allegations, they accused Wikileaks of using Russian intelligence to obtain that data to disrupt the American political process (as if election fraud wasn't a disruption of the American political process in the first place). And then protests against the primary election results ended with peaceful protesters being thrown in jail to shut them up, and she continues to be the official party nominee (to be Trump's main opponent in the general election). So we've hit a new low here in America politics, and the only thing that's missing is bewilderment and/or pity from the Europeans that such a thing could happen in a (supposedly) first-world country.
Well, the USians have a choice between an untrustworthy crook, an untrustworthy braggart and blowhard, and an unknown Libertarian. Given the realities of campaigning these these days (if you don't appear on TV, then you don't exist), only the first two have a realistic chance of being elected. I don't envy you!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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Personally I'd blame middle east "politicians". Why is everything always our fault?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Exactly...We can do on our own as 'good' as European or American can do, if not 'better'... :-D
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Personally I'd blame middle east "politicians". Why is everything always our fault?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Why is everything always our fault?
If you stick your nose in it, you own it! :-\
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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Well, the USians have a choice between an untrustworthy crook, an untrustworthy braggart and blowhard, and an unknown Libertarian. Given the realities of campaigning these these days (if you don't appear on TV, then you don't exist), only the first two have a realistic chance of being elected. I don't envy you!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
and I sure as hell don't envy you. and if you had half a brain, you would know that if Hillary is elected president, then our relationship with Israel will become even less. And once you guys have no allies, then your ass is grass...or sand. At least Trump (with all his faults) will be more of an ally to Israel then the libtards are.
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The real sad fact here in America is that the media is just as complicit. They keep pushing that the citizens only have a choice between the two, but there is a third party called the Libertarian party with a candidate on all 50 state ballots. Neither Trump nor Clinton will be a good choice for POTUS and the Libertarian Gary Johnson is a much better choice.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
Why do we hear none of this on the media over here?
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The Europeans still interested in American politics need to start protesting against Trump's opponent (Hillary Clinton). She deserves it more than anyone else. As President Obama's Secretary of State (responsible for foreign relations), she mostly neglected her official responsibilities and used the position as a means to solicit bribes and political connections from foreign governments and corporations. Her main accomplishments as Secretary of State include destabilizing governments in the Middle East and Africa, getting the U.S. Ambassador of Libya killed, causing the rise of ISIS, creating a dysfunctional policy of both allying with and fighting ISIS, and causing the migration crisis in Europe. After barely surviving an email scandal where she accidentally leaked top-secret military information to the whole world when all she meant to do was receive bribes from foreign entities (and then got caught lying and destroying evidence), she gets into another scandal: Apparently, she, her party leaders, and several media outlets illegally manipulated the primary election to get her elected above another member of her party (who was likely the legitimate winner of the election). Instead of denying these allegations, they accused Wikileaks of using Russian intelligence to obtain that data to disrupt the American political process (as if election fraud wasn't a disruption of the American political process in the first place). And then protests against the primary election results ended with peaceful protesters being thrown in jail to shut them up, and she continues to be the official party nominee (to be Trump's main opponent in the general election). So we've hit a new low here in America politics, and the only thing that's missing is bewilderment and/or pity from the Europeans that such a thing could happen in a (supposedly) first-world country.
jesarg wrote:
causing the rise of ISIS
Utter crap. ISIS was caused by the Bush administration gutting the new Iraqi govt army and civil service of sunnis. They then set up their own state in Syria. Why do you think the ISIS' generals are from Sadams old army?
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Why do we hear none of this on the media over here?
Because our media companies just forward what they want to?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The Europeans still interested in American politics need to start protesting against Trump's opponent (Hillary Clinton). She deserves it more than anyone else. As President Obama's Secretary of State (responsible for foreign relations), she mostly neglected her official responsibilities and used the position as a means to solicit bribes and political connections from foreign governments and corporations. Her main accomplishments as Secretary of State include destabilizing governments in the Middle East and Africa, getting the U.S. Ambassador of Libya killed, causing the rise of ISIS, creating a dysfunctional policy of both allying with and fighting ISIS, and causing the migration crisis in Europe. After barely surviving an email scandal where she accidentally leaked top-secret military information to the whole world when all she meant to do was receive bribes from foreign entities (and then got caught lying and destroying evidence), she gets into another scandal: Apparently, she, her party leaders, and several media outlets illegally manipulated the primary election to get her elected above another member of her party (who was likely the legitimate winner of the election). Instead of denying these allegations, they accused Wikileaks of using Russian intelligence to obtain that data to disrupt the American political process (as if election fraud wasn't a disruption of the American political process in the first place). And then protests against the primary election results ended with peaceful protesters being thrown in jail to shut them up, and she continues to be the official party nominee (to be Trump's main opponent in the general election). So we've hit a new low here in America politics, and the only thing that's missing is bewilderment and/or pity from the Europeans that such a thing could happen in a (supposedly) first-world country.
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+5 for proper use of "cite", especially in this context. Are you really an outlaw???
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The Europeans still interested in American politics need to start protesting against Trump's opponent (Hillary Clinton). She deserves it more than anyone else. As President Obama's Secretary of State (responsible for foreign relations), she mostly neglected her official responsibilities and used the position as a means to solicit bribes and political connections from foreign governments and corporations. Her main accomplishments as Secretary of State include destabilizing governments in the Middle East and Africa, getting the U.S. Ambassador of Libya killed, causing the rise of ISIS, creating a dysfunctional policy of both allying with and fighting ISIS, and causing the migration crisis in Europe. After barely surviving an email scandal where she accidentally leaked top-secret military information to the whole world when all she meant to do was receive bribes from foreign entities (and then got caught lying and destroying evidence), she gets into another scandal: Apparently, she, her party leaders, and several media outlets illegally manipulated the primary election to get her elected above another member of her party (who was likely the legitimate winner of the election). Instead of denying these allegations, they accused Wikileaks of using Russian intelligence to obtain that data to disrupt the American political process (as if election fraud wasn't a disruption of the American political process in the first place). And then protests against the primary election results ended with peaceful protesters being thrown in jail to shut them up, and she continues to be the official party nominee (to be Trump's main opponent in the general election). So we've hit a new low here in America politics, and the only thing that's missing is bewilderment and/or pity from the Europeans that such a thing could happen in a (supposedly) first-world country.
Hillary thinks unbridled immigration is a good thing. Therefore anything else she does is OK in most Europeans eyes. That Monster Trump and his 'racist' comments though...
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Because our media companies just forward what they want to?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Exactly. What many of us in the States have come to realize is that what we see in the media is nothing more than political theater. They want us to chose between who they want us to vote for. In the end, both Democrat and Republican parties have the same agenda. An independent or libertarian candidate will not go with the standard establishment ways of doing things, so they deceive people into thinking that there are only two candidates. They also play down the fact that there are write-in votes, so you can vote for whom ever you wish. The other mind-set, that is pushed a lot, is that if you don't vote for one of the two major parties, your vote is wasted. I keep telling people that there is no such thing unless you are stupid and do a write-in vote for a fictional character (Mickey Mouse). Believe it or not, some actually do this to make a point, but all they are doing is showing their ignorance.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
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jesarg wrote:
causing the rise of ISIS
Utter crap. ISIS was caused by the Bush administration gutting the new Iraqi govt army and civil service of sunnis. They then set up their own state in Syria. Why do you think the ISIS' generals are from Sadams old army?
The Bush administration and Obama administration had roughly the same foreign policy. Hillary was a big part of that policy during her tenure as Secretary of State. Yes, there are other people to blame, too, but they aren't running for president right now.
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The real sad fact here in America is that the media is just as complicit. They keep pushing that the citizens only have a choice between the two, but there is a third party called the Libertarian party with a candidate on all 50 state ballots. Neither Trump nor Clinton will be a good choice for POTUS and the Libertarian Gary Johnson is a much better choice.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
Go ahead - throw your vote away![^] :-D
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and I sure as hell don't envy you. and if you had half a brain, you would know that if Hillary is elected president, then our relationship with Israel will become even less. And once you guys have no allies, then your ass is grass...or sand. At least Trump (with all his faults) will be more of an ally to Israel then the libtards are.
Were I an American, I would worry about the results of the election in either case. Clinton, as you said, will continue Obama's policy of eroding American freedoms, rule of Law, and ethos. Trump will behave like a bull in a china shop. Clinton is at least predictable, in that we know that her policies (both domestic and foreign) will be disastrous. As for Israel, I agree that America's active enmity would be disastrous for us. However, if the next administration is like Obama's, I expect that we'll muddle through. Israel has established strong diplomatic and trade relations with Russia, China, India, and other powers, and is no longer surrounded by enemies capable of destroying it. The only existential danger faced by Israel at the moment is the Iranian bomb, and on that issue, ironically, we have common cause with many of the Arab states...
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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Being an outlaw does not preclude one from obtaining a proper education.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Forsooth!:thumbsup:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Because our media companies just forward what they want to?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Our media is very intrusive in US politics, if it werent for Muslim attacks its all we would have on the TV! :)
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The Bush administration and Obama administration had roughly the same foreign policy. Hillary was a big part of that policy during her tenure as Secretary of State. Yes, there are other people to blame, too, but they aren't running for president right now.
You were wrong, admit it. Disenfranchising Sunnis was done by the Bush administration, not Clinton.
