I can't see all the problems with upgrades
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
It looked horrible
Why the past tense? It still does.
Clifford Nelson wrote:
everybody else was going away from it because they finally could.
Are you sure about that? I remember at the time iOS 7 came out, people were complaining that Apple was dumping its long-established gaudy faux-leather/brushed aluminum/everything shiny look they had been using forever and was adopting the "simplified"/flattened look that was just starting to become common back then (roughly Win8's introduction timeframe).
:-)
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At work we are still forced to keep XP since we have to support machines that costs more than a house for the next years - we also have some Win2k VMs because we sold it on our machines until 2008. And Win7 created a lot of problems in the beginning due to the myriad useless services it has that raise CPU/disk usage periodically and screws up our SW, which has to control hardware AND do heavy weight elaborations in real time. Windows 8 has been tried and dumped due to the ridiculous slowdowns it causes in the execution of the software - they were not there with XP, which we would have kept if not to comply with some BIG customer random IT policy (the machine is for all accounts an embedded piece of hardware so it should not be considered a workstation).
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Services can be turned off at will though... In all Windows version.
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I only have one machine. Losing days to backup, try, fix, try, fix, fraking up, restoring just to try something new? Not a chance in hell, nor in heaven for that sake.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Actually, upgrades to operating systems don't have to be the pain that you assume they are. Since you are running Windows 7, I would get virtualization software (I use VMWare Workstation), and create a virtual Windows 8 machine. And then you'll realize immediately why Microsoft went to 8.1 almost immediately. And then you can try Windows 10. I like 8.1, and dislike Windows 10 after running it on a virtual machine for 4 months. Therefore, I shutdown 10, and never use it except once in awhile to pick up the updates. Virtual is the way to go - you can get comfortable with a new operating system, without mucking around with your main OS, and if you like the update, you can do one of two things - install the new OS on over your main OS, or continue using your main OS just to bring up a virtual machine of your new OS.
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den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
That's what I've heard too. Most folks, especially the anti-Windows folks tell the same story. I know there are imperfections and I haven't upgraded to Win 10 yet because of it, or because of what I've heard from others. I'm just too busy to do the update. :rolleyes: Today, I'm about to update it to Win 10 because I need to test out the docker support for .net core. So fingers cross. :-D
Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
Most folks, especially the anti-Windows folks tell the same story.
Couldn't care less about the anti Windwos folks. They aren't the ones who did upgrade before the free upgrade presumably ran out and posted about the resulting issues. Those who did upgrade early are not the anti Windows folks, or else they wouldn't have run Windows before the upgrade. I ran Windows 8 (home) on my laptop for more than a year and hated it. And I'm not even talking about the UI (I did install ClassicShell). I'm talking about missing baseline apps, forced upgrades at inopportune moments (e. g. at 5% battery power without a power outlet in reach), repeated resets of system settings to M$ defaults, and an entirely messed up configuration system that made restoring the settings to my preferences a pita. I never upgraded to 8.1 because it fixed none of the issues I had, but introduced even more telemetry spying than 8.0 already had, with less control. It added back a few of the utilities 8.0 removed, but instead of just adding back the old programs, they came back as apps with considerably reduced functionality. I had a look at W10, but the forced updates are a killer for me, based on my own past experience with forced updates in 8.0. The settings and configurations are better than in W 8, but still too much spread out, and therefore considerably worse than they are in W 7. I do hate the parts of the system that use the flat design, and sometimes you just can't avoid it: flat means it's harder to distinguish which widget has the focus, and which parts of the UI are in fact actionable elements. I have no idea why anyone would think this is a good design: it definitely decreases discoverability! E. g. when there's a list of items at the left side of the window, I have no way to tell what clicking on ony of them will do, if at all. Depending on the context, it may do nothing, invoke some function, or switch the window to a different tab or sub menu. I'ts all trial and error. And let's not talk about telemetry and other data being sent back to MS: not only is it impossible to switch it all off (MS confirmed as much), the settings that do reduce the data stream are spread out all over the system (like so many other things that you'd think should be treated on a single settings page). Just to be clear: I don't mind so much that Microsoft can take a look at this information, not even that any US-based three letter org may force them to hand