Bash/Ubuntu on Windows 10 - Now What
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Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell. What's not to love?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
Nathan Minier wrote:
Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell.
You must not read Slashdot. When MS announced Bash for Windows 10, the resulting discussions were all about how this does nothing to sway any of them back to MS. Going at it the other way around, when MS announced PowerShell for Linux, the resulting discussions were all about how nobody in their right minds would pollute their pristine Linux systems with MS garbage. "Less user acceptance issues", my @$$. They just can't win. The attitude in the community makes me want to ignore Linux more than any technical issue or learning curve.
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Nathan Minier wrote:
Considerably more power than cmd, less user acceptance issues than PowerShell.
You must not read Slashdot. When MS announced Bash for Windows 10, the resulting discussions were all about how this does nothing to sway any of them back to MS. Going at it the other way around, when MS announced PowerShell for Linux, the resulting discussions were all about how nobody in their right minds would pollute their pristine Linux systems with MS garbage. "Less user acceptance issues", my @$$. They just can't win. The attitude in the community makes me want to ignore Linux more than any technical issue or learning curve.
dandy72 wrote:
You must not read Slashdot.
No, that sounds like horribly kinky fan-fiction featuring Dot from Animaniacs, though. I don't think anyone cares about Linux fanbois, not even Linux fanbois. I was actually talking about Windows user acceptance, as in an enterprise environment I've seen a lot of (IT) people that are so intimidated by PowerShell that they won't use it. They will, however, use bash, since they've had to learn how to when administering appliances. Maybe the issue here is that when I say "User", I'm meaning anything from baseline User to SysAdmin. To me it just means !Developer.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Just don't ever edit a *nix config file using a windows editor. While most are smart enough not to screw up line endings, they don't understand how to handle the *nix permissions tucked away in the file system. With the result that the first time one does a safe write: 0) Write to filename.ext.temp 1) delete filename.ext 2) rename filename.ext.temp to filename.ext you end up losing all the *nix permissions on the file and then your *nix breaks. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Although I have not tried it yet on win 10, I've used windows text editors on unix and linux for years, with no problems at all. You just need to use wordpad instead of notepad (it happily will use just the single byte newline, unlike notepad which uses CRLF), and save directly to the *nix machine to preserve the permissions, all one byte of them.
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Although I have not tried it yet on win 10, I've used windows text editors on unix and linux for years, with no problems at all. You just need to use wordpad instead of notepad (it happily will use just the single byte newline, unlike notepad which uses CRLF), and save directly to the *nix machine to preserve the permissions, all one byte of them.
I guess there're some virtues to wordpad being dumb as a stump and not meaningfully updated in 20 years. :rolleyes: Windows editors doing the safe save via temps and renaming dance and hosing linux on windows file permissions was widespread enough that the "never use a windows editor for them" recommendation came out of Redmond about a month after general availability. I never got why they didn't expose the *nix file permissions via a new win32 call and then control write access there via a manifest setting so that apps that didn't opt in by saying they can do it safely just get write denied errors. :sigh: :confused:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I guess there're some virtues to wordpad being dumb as a stump and not meaningfully updated in 20 years. :rolleyes: Windows editors doing the safe save via temps and renaming dance and hosing linux on windows file permissions was widespread enough that the "never use a windows editor for them" recommendation came out of Redmond about a month after general availability. I never got why they didn't expose the *nix file permissions via a new win32 call and then control write access there via a manifest setting so that apps that didn't opt in by saying they can do it safely just get write denied errors. :sigh: :confused:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
"[D]umb as a stump," may be apropos, but it was easier than trying to remember all the arcane keystrokes, then losing the file by quiting without having saved it. I have always maintained that vi was someone's revenge on the world.