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  • E Eytukan

    How does it work in your company/teams? Everybody knows everybody's salaries and grades? I never felt this to be so cool, as it always landed in employees revolts. An employee should look at his own work, contribution towards the project/team/company ,assess the situation himself & find out if the salary being paid to him is reasonable or not, than comparing the salaries with peers and take calls based on psychological triggers (That happens if things don't tally). Many times they choose to leave and land themselves in a poor work place. Like from the frying pan to the fire. It'd be better if management issues a subtle direction to the young folks to keep these things confidential. (Until they grow older & learn the cunning tricks themselves) :rolleyes: These freshers in team just sit together and compare the compensation letter field by field and feel relaxed, only if all them match dot by dot. lol

    Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.

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    theoldfool
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    I was told that "we do not discuss salaries". I told them not to worry, I was just as ashamed of it as they were. :-D

    "Abstract art? A product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered." Al Capp

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    • E Eytukan

      How does it work in your company/teams? Everybody knows everybody's salaries and grades? I never felt this to be so cool, as it always landed in employees revolts. An employee should look at his own work, contribution towards the project/team/company ,assess the situation himself & find out if the salary being paid to him is reasonable or not, than comparing the salaries with peers and take calls based on psychological triggers (That happens if things don't tally). Many times they choose to leave and land themselves in a poor work place. Like from the frying pan to the fire. It'd be better if management issues a subtle direction to the young folks to keep these things confidential. (Until they grow older & learn the cunning tricks themselves) :rolleyes: These freshers in team just sit together and compare the compensation letter field by field and feel relaxed, only if all them match dot by dot. lol

      Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.

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      GenJerDan
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      Ha. I haven't had a confidential salary since 1984.

      We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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      • L Lost User

        Why do I get to hear from Orwell all day already? I already had a chat with my boss about how political correctness relates to 1984's newspeak.

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        Herbie Mountjoy
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        Maybe we should be paid by the number of legs we have. Two legs good. Four legs better...

        We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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        • E Eytukan

          How does it work in your company/teams? Everybody knows everybody's salaries and grades? I never felt this to be so cool, as it always landed in employees revolts. An employee should look at his own work, contribution towards the project/team/company ,assess the situation himself & find out if the salary being paid to him is reasonable or not, than comparing the salaries with peers and take calls based on psychological triggers (That happens if things don't tally). Many times they choose to leave and land themselves in a poor work place. Like from the frying pan to the fire. It'd be better if management issues a subtle direction to the young folks to keep these things confidential. (Until they grow older & learn the cunning tricks themselves) :rolleyes: These freshers in team just sit together and compare the compensation letter field by field and feel relaxed, only if all them match dot by dot. lol

          Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.

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          DeerBear
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          Honestly, I don't get the brouhaha about knowing other people's salaries. Especially in tech, I think sharing this information should be mandatory. It would remove lots of bias, especially towards women. Also, it's interesting to note that if a company thinks that this will create discontent among the employees maybe they're not paying those employees right. Sure, there will be the odd ones who think that they're being underpaid and really aren't, but if the salaries were shown then those outliers would quite quickly be identified as such. And then, there's another thing: maybe you have a lower starting salary but you have better benefits. So... I think salaries should be made transparent :)

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          • E Eytukan

            How does it work in your company/teams? Everybody knows everybody's salaries and grades? I never felt this to be so cool, as it always landed in employees revolts. An employee should look at his own work, contribution towards the project/team/company ,assess the situation himself & find out if the salary being paid to him is reasonable or not, than comparing the salaries with peers and take calls based on psychological triggers (That happens if things don't tally). Many times they choose to leave and land themselves in a poor work place. Like from the frying pan to the fire. It'd be better if management issues a subtle direction to the young folks to keep these things confidential. (Until they grow older & learn the cunning tricks themselves) :rolleyes: These freshers in team just sit together and compare the compensation letter field by field and feel relaxed, only if all them match dot by dot. lol

            Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.

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            Seems like something that's going to work in theory, but not in practice. In some theoretical world, an organization can demonstrably show that people who provide more value are compensated better. In the real world, everybody has an ego and thinks they're a rock star. They will question the value data. "What I'm doing is way better than what Bob's doing, and Bob gets paid more." Don't hate Bob because he's a better negotiator. I've been doing this a long time, and have come across very few manager types who have the willingness, ability, and data to evaluate value based on performance. Mostly, it's whoever's bitching the most, and everyone else might get a COLA-type raise.

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            • E Eytukan

              How does it work in your company/teams? Everybody knows everybody's salaries and grades? I never felt this to be so cool, as it always landed in employees revolts. An employee should look at his own work, contribution towards the project/team/company ,assess the situation himself & find out if the salary being paid to him is reasonable or not, than comparing the salaries with peers and take calls based on psychological triggers (That happens if things don't tally). Many times they choose to leave and land themselves in a poor work place. Like from the frying pan to the fire. It'd be better if management issues a subtle direction to the young folks to keep these things confidential. (Until they grow older & learn the cunning tricks themselves) :rolleyes: These freshers in team just sit together and compare the compensation letter field by field and feel relaxed, only if all them match dot by dot. lol

              Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.

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              As an employer, this is a very touchy subject. No two people are equal. Sometimes I have to pay more than I want to someone, and someone else is happy to work for less than I would have guessed. Our rules are that you keep it confidential. But we are a SMALL company. Everyone has an IDEA what the others probably make based on lifestyle. But I agree, this NEVER ends well when everyone starts talking... Why does this guy make soooo much? What? I am paid the lowest? (someone has to be). Even worse. I had an old boss who paid himself LESS than all of us, and shared that willingly. As if a badge of honor. Of course, he owned the place, and took shareholders distribution whenever there was money he needed, or left over... But it was HIS company. That should be understood. It was just the presentation that NOBODY realized that was funny. Do great work. Help others, attend to your weaknesses, and learn to talk to your bosses. Dress for your next job. Set your goals and obtain them. It's an amazing world in the end! And we are INCREDIBLY well paid...

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              • H Herbie Mountjoy

                Maybe we should be paid by the number of legs we have. Two legs good. Four legs better...

                We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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                Perhaps I need to alter my profession and become 'Leg Implant Consultant' (LIC). Could be a substantial income base 'afoot'!

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