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  • M Munchies_Matt

    "in space without gravity it gets a little easier to go faster" Who writes, and edits, this crap? Gravity? It is wind resistance that is the problem in the atmosphere. Earths gravity extends well out into space!

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    Joan M
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    Then it's easy... just wait for non windy days... :rolleyes:

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      And possibly the garish color[^] that your craft gets...

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      Nelek
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      Is that the new camouflage painting? Or is it that the quote of women in leading positions has reached the military as well? ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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      • M Mel Padden

        http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tech/2015/06/05/high-speed-strike-weapon-hypersonic-jet-orig.cnn[^] The bit at the end about the fastest manmade objects ever had me geeking out.

        One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

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        Nelek
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        The theory explained in the book "Limit" is way cooler.

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

          R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

          Putting all the pedantism pedantry aside,

          :-D

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          R Giskard Reventlov
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          Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

          Putting all the pedantism pedantry aside,

          pedantism - definition of pedantism in English | Oxford Dictionaries[^] :-D :-D

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          • M Mel Padden

            http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tech/2015/06/05/high-speed-strike-weapon-hypersonic-jet-orig.cnn[^] The bit at the end about the fastest manmade objects ever had me geeking out.

            One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

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            W Balboos GHB
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            The narrator got it a bit wrong about why it's easier to go faster in space. Sure, gravity, as he claims, would be an obstacle IF one were opposing it, but the real hero (or lack thereof) is that there's no atmosphere to (1) slow the vehicle down, and (2) heat the vehicle up. It would go even slower under water . . .

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            • N Nelek

              Is that the new camouflage painting? Or is it that the quote of women in leading positions has reached the military as well? ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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              CodeWraith
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              No, that's a X-15 covered with ablative heat protection, most probably before the flight.

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                Escape velocity[^] Putting all the pedantism aside, still marvelous achievements.

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                Munchies_Matt
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                18,000 mph if memory serves me correctly. Puts a bit of wind into perspective eh? :)

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                • F F ES Sitecore

                  Just do it when there is no wind. Can't believe NASA hasn't thought of this. Oh wait....maybe it's air resistance that's the problem, not wind resistance... :)

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                  air+velocity=wind HOw fast is a rocket going? :)

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                  • J Joan M

                    Then it's easy... just wait for non windy days... :rolleyes:

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    air doesnt have any resistance until it has velocity relative to the object whereupon it is wind. ;P

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                    • M Mel Padden

                      Sure I did, I just like it when a random news report makes me remember. I also wasn't aware that there was something atmospheric faster than the X-15, it's been a while since I was totally clued up about this stuff.

                      One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

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                      CodeWraith
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                      For example, I also never saw this[^] before, if we are already looking at the X-15.

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                      • M Munchies_Matt

                        18,000 mph if memory serves me correctly. Puts a bit of wind into perspective eh? :)

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                        Daniel Pfeffer
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                        Escape velocity at the Earth's surface is about 11.2 km/sec, which is 40,320 km/hr, which is 25,200 mph.

                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                        • M Munchies_Matt

                          air+velocity=wind HOw fast is a rocket going? :)

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                          Munchies_Matt wrote:

                          air+velocity=wind

                          It's wind if it's the *air* that has velocity, not an object moving through it.

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                          • D Daniel Pfeffer

                            Escape velocity at the Earth's surface is about 11.2 km/sec, which is 40,320 km/hr, which is 25,200 mph.

                            If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                            R Giskard Reventlov
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                            Gravitational Escape Velocity with Saturn V Rocket by Ron Kurtus - Physics Lessons: School for Champions[^]

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                              Munchies_Matt wrote:

                              air+velocity=wind

                              It's wind if it's the *air* that has velocity, not an object moving through it.

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                              Munchies_Matt
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                              I see, this is your deffinition of wind is it? What do you call a windscreen then? :laugh:

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                              • M Munchies_Matt

                                I see, this is your deffinition of wind is it? What do you call a windscreen then? :laugh:

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                                If you get your scientific knowledge from badly-named items then it's just as well you don't work at NASA. What kind of food stuff is a peanut? A strawberry? What's your pencil lead made from? What's tin foil made from? What kind of animal is a koala bear? What kind of animal is a horned toad? Where was Chinese checkers invented?

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                                • M Mel Padden

                                  http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tech/2015/06/05/high-speed-strike-weapon-hypersonic-jet-orig.cnn[^] The bit at the end about the fastest manmade objects ever had me geeking out.

                                  One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

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                                  Just goes to show how far ahead of its time the SR-71 was.

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                                  • F F ES Sitecore

                                    If you get your scientific knowledge from badly-named items then it's just as well you don't work at NASA. What kind of food stuff is a peanut? A strawberry? What's your pencil lead made from? What's tin foil made from? What kind of animal is a koala bear? What kind of animal is a horned toad? Where was Chinese checkers invented?

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    Wind Resistance | Definition of Wind Resistance by Merriam-Webster[^] " Definition of wind resistance : the resistance that still air offers to movement especially of a vehicle" :laugh:

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                                    • M Munchies_Matt

                                      Wind Resistance | Definition of Wind Resistance by Merriam-Webster[^] " Definition of wind resistance : the resistance that still air offers to movement especially of a vehicle" :laugh:

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                                      F ES Sitecore
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                                      Now you're getting your scientific info from Merriam Webster? Not much better.

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                                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                        Gravitational Escape Velocity with Saturn V Rocket by Ron Kurtus - Physics Lessons: School for Champions[^]

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                                        Daniel Pfeffer
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                                        I agree that the actual delta-v produced by any practical rocket that reaches escape velocity must be higher than 11.2 km/sec. This is because (a) the acceleration profile is not a step function, and (b) using the highest acceleration that the astronauts were capable of enduring would result in the spacecraft overheating because of air resistance (those pesky Engineering considerations... :) ). This, however, that does not change the fact that the escape velocity at the Earth's surface is approximately 11.2 km/sec. This gives the absolute lower bound on the delta-v that must be given to an object that is to escape the Earth's gravity.

                                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                        • F F ES Sitecore

                                          Now you're getting your scientific info from Merriam Webster? Not much better.

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                                          Munchies_Matt
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                                          Whereas you get yours from your 'opinion bank'. :laugh: Unlike many people (everyone?) here I studied physics in depth, since my principal formation was in mech/aero engineering. The mistake you make is assuming the earth has some relevance in this. When the object experiencing the wind is not moving relative to the earth you call it 'wind'. When it is you call it 'air'. Earth centric views in science died with the church, you do remember the heresy of Galileo dont you? The correct way to view this is the body and air have different velocities. This creates wind. Period.

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