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  • B Brady Kelly

    I'm employed full time and still find it plausible.

    "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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    RickZeeland
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    Seems plausible to me :laugh:

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      Seems plausible to me :laugh:

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      Brady Kelly
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      :beer:

      "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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      • B Brady Kelly

        I've just bought the book ng-book - The Complete Guide to Angular 4[^], and have been working through the chapters and examples. Unfortunately, the further I get into the book, the more the quality declines, with erroneous and or incomplete code examples. Now I have been able to debug and get running all examples without having to download the example code, until now. Now that I have cloned that code, I see just how crap it is, and how rushed a small effort it must have been to get that ready for the book. Where the book teaches you how to neatly factor you app into several components, template, and sometimes styling files, in my cloned example code, each application has all code crammed into one app.ts file! Just that is alone bad practice, then much less readable and understandable than if the author coded like he tells us to code. I am now stuck on one problem I can't debug myself, and the only recourse I have (except to hire someone on Fiverr) is a shitty single channel, no threading, conversation on Gitter, the star of today's collaboration networking tools. I think I read somewhere that the book and code started out open source, and that seems true because the book is fast becoming the same quality of most open source documentation: crap. Has or is anyone else worked through this book, and what is your opinion, and maybe a suggestion of a not-official forum or something I can use to discuss specific examples and pieces of code from this bound volume of toilet paper?

        "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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        raddevus
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        From the marketing info at the book's link you provided

        Stop wasting your time wrestling with incomplete and confusing tutorials.

        Were they talking about themselves? :laugh: EDIT Oh, I see. You need to upgrade to the Team License. It's only $499 X|

        Site says:

        List Price: $699/yr Price: $499/yr

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          From the marketing info at the book's link you provided

          Stop wasting your time wrestling with incomplete and confusing tutorials.

          Were they talking about themselves? :laugh: EDIT Oh, I see. You need to upgrade to the Team License. It's only $499 X|

          Site says:

          List Price: $699/yr Price: $499/yr

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          Brady Kelly
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          Yes, you are correct. Although, except for a small bug here or there, I had gotten on well with the book, which cost about $26 or something, and was looking forward to where we moved onto bigger apps. I was not looking forward to bigger and more frequent elephant ups.

          "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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          • B Brady Kelly

            I've just bought the book ng-book - The Complete Guide to Angular 4[^], and have been working through the chapters and examples. Unfortunately, the further I get into the book, the more the quality declines, with erroneous and or incomplete code examples. Now I have been able to debug and get running all examples without having to download the example code, until now. Now that I have cloned that code, I see just how crap it is, and how rushed a small effort it must have been to get that ready for the book. Where the book teaches you how to neatly factor you app into several components, template, and sometimes styling files, in my cloned example code, each application has all code crammed into one app.ts file! Just that is alone bad practice, then much less readable and understandable than if the author coded like he tells us to code. I am now stuck on one problem I can't debug myself, and the only recourse I have (except to hire someone on Fiverr) is a shitty single channel, no threading, conversation on Gitter, the star of today's collaboration networking tools. I think I read somewhere that the book and code started out open source, and that seems true because the book is fast becoming the same quality of most open source documentation: crap. Has or is anyone else worked through this book, and what is your opinion, and maybe a suggestion of a not-official forum or something I can use to discuss specific examples and pieces of code from this bound volume of toilet paper?

            "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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            Hi Brady, thanks for that heads-up; I might have bought that book. I do note the authors say:

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            What if I don't like it? If you're unhappy with the book or content, just reach out to us and we'll give you a full refund. There's no risk.

            cheers, Bill

            «Differences between Big-Endians, who broke eggs at the larger end, and Little-Endians gave rise to six rebellions: one Emperor lost his life, another his crown. The Lilliputian religion says an egg should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. Big-Endians gained favor in Blefuscu.» J. Swift, 'Gulliver's Travels,' 1726CE

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            • B BillWoodruff

              Hi Brady, thanks for that heads-up; I might have bought that book. I do note the authors say:

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              What if I don't like it? If you're unhappy with the book or content, just reach out to us and we'll give you a full refund. There's no risk.

              cheers, Bill

              «Differences between Big-Endians, who broke eggs at the larger end, and Little-Endians gave rise to six rebellions: one Emperor lost his life, another his crown. The Lilliputian religion says an egg should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. Big-Endians gained favor in Blefuscu.» J. Swift, 'Gulliver's Travels,' 1726CE

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              Brady Kelly
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              That is great, thanks, Bill, I will be contacting them ASAP. But then I see there are hardly any contenders for Angular 4 tutorial books even for a barrier set this low. I nearly just wrote the cost off and bought another, but the only 1 other I could find used JS to program Angular 4, written in TypeScript and written to be coded for in TypeScript. The appearance of the book was more of a Mad Magazine than a textbook

              "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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              • B Brady Kelly

                I've just bought the book ng-book - The Complete Guide to Angular 4[^], and have been working through the chapters and examples. Unfortunately, the further I get into the book, the more the quality declines, with erroneous and or incomplete code examples. Now I have been able to debug and get running all examples without having to download the example code, until now. Now that I have cloned that code, I see just how crap it is, and how rushed a small effort it must have been to get that ready for the book. Where the book teaches you how to neatly factor you app into several components, template, and sometimes styling files, in my cloned example code, each application has all code crammed into one app.ts file! Just that is alone bad practice, then much less readable and understandable than if the author coded like he tells us to code. I am now stuck on one problem I can't debug myself, and the only recourse I have (except to hire someone on Fiverr) is a shitty single channel, no threading, conversation on Gitter, the star of today's collaboration networking tools. I think I read somewhere that the book and code started out open source, and that seems true because the book is fast becoming the same quality of most open source documentation: crap. Has or is anyone else worked through this book, and what is your opinion, and maybe a suggestion of a not-official forum or something I can use to discuss specific examples and pieces of code from this bound volume of toilet paper?

                "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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                Nathan Minier
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                They're preparing you for what life will be like working with Angular. Really great stuff at first, followed by confusing assumptions about your environment, and finally total collapse of sanity or usefulness.

                "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                • N Nathan Minier

                  They're preparing you for what life will be like working with Angular. Really great stuff at first, followed by confusing assumptions about your environment, and finally total collapse of sanity or usefulness.

                  "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                  Brady Kelly
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                  And they throw in some npm package version hell as well, not to miss that. But what you say about Angular describes the book to a tee.

                  "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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                  • B Brady Kelly

                    And they throw in some npm package version hell as well, not to miss that. But what you say about Angular describes the book to a tee.

                    "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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                    Nathan Minier
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                    NG1 is actually pretty damn good and doesn't have the associated stupidity and hipster tendencies of the newer releases; I just can't say how long Google will continue to support it.

                    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                    • N Nathan Minier

                      NG1 is actually pretty damn good and doesn't have the associated stupidity and hipster tendencies of the newer releases; I just can't say how long Google will continue to support it.

                      "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                      Brady Kelly
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                      I much prefer Angular 2 & 4 over 1. It's like fully object oriented vs. event driven but procedural. A Rubick's cude snapping into correctness vs a bag of loose Legos. IMHO.

                      "'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself." —Aleister Crowley

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