Michael Moore/black folks

Christian Graus

I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Tim Smith

Well, I call Moore and idiot like liberals call Rush Limbaugh an idiot. But anybody who thinks racism is hasn't come a long way is a TOTAL fargin' moron. It still happens, but to compare racism of today against racism before 1970 is just stupid. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

Christian Graus

What happened in 1970 ? ( sorry for being seriously ignorant here, was the date arbitrary, or not ? ) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Chris Austin

Personaly I think the guy is a total asshole and a blantant self promoter (not unlike Rush Limbaugh). Christian Graus wrote: Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins I think this is absurd. Racism does still exist but, it is nothing like the picture he seems to be painting. My wife is dark skinned and she does suffer rare discrimination but, she is also a lead engineer where she works. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

Christian Graus

Chris Austin wrote: My wife is dark skinned and she does suffer rare discrimination but, she is also a lead engineer where she works. That's sort of what I was hoping. You can't get rid of all the idiots, but you'd hope they are an extreme minority. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Tim Smith

From 1950-1970 was a major change in civil rights. There was of course, the civil rights laws that were passed. Also at that time we started the long process of purging systematic and institutionalized racism. I will never forget the day I was up in an old theatre in Montgomery Alabama. We were up in the balcony and someone pointed to the storage room and said "You know what that is don't you?" I asked and they said that was the "negro bathroom". Then he pointed down a long thin flight of stairs to a side exit and said, "That was the negro entrance". (FYI: The guy was the PR man for Alabama's ACLU) That was really my first hard taste of how bad things use to be. The sad thing is, there are still isolated pockets of morons. But to be perfectly honest, doesn't every country have small pockets of twits. Europe has their skinheads. We (USA) has skinheads and the KKK. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

Shog9 0

Christian Graus wrote: Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? Most of the dark skinned people working here are the Indian engineers.

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Christian Graus

Oh, OK. I thought it was earlier than that. Tim Smith wrote: But to be perfectly honest, doesn't every country have small pockets of twits. No, I think we have more than small pockets here. :-) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

nay

Our office is quite diverse. I've seen no signs of discrimination. The entire industry is quite diverse actually. By industry I don't mean programming I mean DoD contractors. I will not pretend to be naive though, companies (at least in the US) that are more diverse receive more government contracts. The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). From what I've seen there are enough minority employees to adequately represent their percentage of the population. nay

Christian Graus

Shog9 wrote: Most of the dark skinned people working here are the Indian engineers. According to Moore, it's not colour, but being a physical reminder of the US's past policy of slavery that counts. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

I wonder how likely it is that tech industries, being younger, don't have this sort of thing compared to older corporations ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Joe Woodbury

In 1964 the Civil Rights Act was passed. This was following in 1965 with the Voting Rights Act. Through the 1950s and 1960s there were many laws declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court on the basis of race. By 1968, when Martin Luther King was assasinated, the civil rights laws were pretty much in place. Since then it's been largely waiting for old racists to die and for the new racists to be slapped around like the idiots they are (i.e a handful of Denny's not serving, or giving inferior service to, black customers.) People like Michael Moore confuse people being against affirmative action (forced discrimination meant to right old wrongs) for racism. I think most Americans agree with forcing companies which have a history of discrimination to hire more minorities, but most are against applying affirmative action to everything. Unfortunately, political correctness now labels the latter "racism." Thus, if you believe blacks should be awarded merely for the color of their skin, you are progressive.

Chris Austin

nay wrote: The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). LOL! I spent a summer interning in Troy at Troy State. For me Alabama lived up to every bit of it's reputation; I'll never live or work there again. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

Christian Graus

It's a valid point. For example, everyone who works here is a white male. The simple reason is that that is who applies for a job here. One of our bosses is dark skinned, so it seems ridiculous to suggest there is more to it than that, and I've spoken with him about how they'd be just as happy to hire a female, if an appropriately qualified one applied. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

I think that he does not have an idea of what racism is. In US, even a racial joke can make you the target of a litigation. I don't know about other places in US, but here in NY everything seems to be alright on a racial level. I have been here for only 2 years, so I don't know what people think and whether the remnants of the old prejudices still exist; but even if it is there, people don't show it. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Joe Woodbury

nay wrote: I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US I thought that "honor" went to Mississippi. Or was that the most backward?

Tim Smith

Well, the civil war was in the late 1800s. That made the slaves free, but the dirty little secret is that both the south and the north still considered blacks to be second class citizens. The north has been very dishonest about racism. Hell, even California was racists. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

Christian Graus

Yeah, I just saw 'Gangs of New York'. A very disturbing movie IMO. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

brianwelsch

This is a list of my direct supervisor for my previous four jobs: 1- black male 2- white female 3- white male (business owner was black female) 4- black female (at time of hire... she moved so now its a white female(5)) I've been able to tell little difference between co-workers or managers based solely on gender or race. Some people are good at what they do , others aren't. As far as socially, I've met blacks who are strongly prejudiced against whites, and vice cersa, but I've met more people who joke around about race either way(black/white/hispanic/asian/silver/blue), but when it comes down to it don't really give it much thought. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Stuart van Weele

The title should tell you his opinion on the matter. Mr Moore was never one to let the facts stand in the way of his opinions, and is perfectly happy to fabricate things as he goes along. Is there racism in the US? Yes. Is it widely practiced? That depends on who you ask. Remember also that the US isn't just black and white. We are White, Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, Muslim, Native american indian, Indian from the subcontinent indian, pacific islander, etc. In fact, the largest ethnic group after white european is latino. Then there are people who are mixed race, like Jeb Bush's kids. So the answer is yes, no, and kind of.