Paper & Pencil...
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I have a (much) younger work colleague who brings her laptop to every meeting and takes notes during the meetings. Trouble is she is one of "those" typists who seem to make more noise than an elephanting elephant! Half the time the noise of her typing drowns out the speaker, and gods help us all if we're using a squawkbox on a dial-in. I'd suggest to her to bring a pad and pen but she's a "clicker" too :mad: Wouldn't mind so much if she actually shared the notes with us :laugh:
CHill60 wrote:
I'd suggest to her to bring a pad and pen but she's a "clicker" too :mad:
This is why I never buy click pens! I fidget so the click part is just too tempting. Makes it worse when I actively resist clicking because then I don't pay attention to the meeting!
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Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.
Even something that can handle so-called "digital ink" (as much as I despise the term) such as Microsoft's Surface, in combination with software that is designed specifically for it, really isn't all that great. I'd still rather carry pen and paper for those occasions. And although the camera might be useful for taking a picture of someone's whiteboard scribbling...the result leaves a lot to be desired.
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You forgot to mention the blessed whiteboard: the best place to visualize designs and realize when you're being stupid.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...
Rubbing alcohol can be your friend, but only if your office is well ventilated.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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My problem with whiteboards is that I'll write something down and leave it there for months. After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...
dandy72 wrote:
After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...
Write over the dried marker with a fresh one and it should wipe right off.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Rubbing alcohol can be your friend, but only if your office is well ventilated.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
Pro tip, thanks!
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.
It's a matter of great irony to me that in many of the meetings I get invited to, I'm the only one who arrives completely naked - no laptop or [electronic] tablet. Most of those meetings I'll be the only computer/software-type there. I carry a small paper tablet and a pen[^], along with my reading glasses. Yes I'm old, dammit, now get the :elephant: off my lawn!
Software Zen:
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Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
Yes.
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Effective in the short term but will eventually render the board useless. The alcohol destroys the lubricating layer of the board. Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
David Crow wrote:
Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.
This is starting to sound like a shampoo commercial. :-D Actually, my best solution for dry-erase marker that won't go away is to draw on top of the existing marks, and immediately erase, while the new marks still haven't yet dried. You might go through a lot of ink, but I've salvaged an otherwise pretty much ruined whiteboard using that method.
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I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
:thumbsup: So I'm not the only one!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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dandy72 wrote:
After that much time, so-called "dry erase markers" might as well be permanent markers...
Write over the dried marker with a fresh one and it should wipe right off.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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I use pen & paper all the time. Any paper that comes off the printer that is not claimed goes into my "scratch" pile.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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David Crow wrote:
Best to use a whiteboard cleaner that doubles as a conditioner.
This is starting to sound like a shampoo commercial. :-D Actually, my best solution for dry-erase marker that won't go away is to draw on top of the existing marks, and immediately erase, while the new marks still haven't yet dried. You might go through a lot of ink, but I've salvaged an otherwise pretty much ruined whiteboard using that method.
I mentioned that earlier, but it won't work on a board gone bad. Once the lubricating layer of the board is gone, it cannot be cleaned no matter what you use.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
Last year the bank gave away a box of pencils to everyone, so many of the young whipper snappers insist on using their laptop I ended up with 10 boxes of pencils. So yes I use paper and pencil (no clicking either).
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I am surprised by how many of my younger work mates come to meetings, presentations and brainstorming carrying an old style paper notebook. When I was that age, 15-20 years ago, noone wanted to be seen in a meeting room without a portable; that would mark you as pre-cambrium. Nowadays, it is no longer necessary to emphasize your modernness to the same degree. Obviously, everybody has smartphones, with more processing and storage capabilities than the old portable. But they are not as good for jotting down notes (certainly not if you have got big hands!), and not for curves and similar sketches. So the notebook is a nice supplement to the smartphone.
I'm not sure what a portable is, but I keep notes on my phone - I just write them into my phone after the meeting because using a phone during a meeting tends to seen as not paying attention. Although usually I go back to a computer and type it up, it's just easier that way.
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Do you use them during your workday? Or are you all digital?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
